Over one million people sign UK petition for second EU referendum

Post by prodmerc » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 2:02 PM UTC

newjersey wrote: post #33

curun1r wrote: post #23

The funniest/most interesting part wasn't the call for a second referendum, but the second petition described at the end of the article: A map of the petition signatures showed that most came from England’s major cities, topped by London where there is a separate petition calling on Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the capital independent from the United Kingdom, and apply to join the EU. I'm not even sure how that could…

It is not that absurd when you think about it for a moment. It is not the time yet but major cities probably do better with less friction on movement of goods and people with other major cities. If that's true any hindrance is suboptimal. I'm hopeful that England will join the EU as a full member (including common currency) within our lifetimes. It would preempt any credible calls for an independent London.

Post by tim333 » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 2:07 PM UTC

prodmerc wrote: post #71

perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

Well they could always do a recount. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_ele... Or is 4% enough of a difference to eliminate errors?

Post by tim333 » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 2:12 PM UTC

frou_dh wrote: post #65

perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

The petition isn't specifically asking for a 2nd referendum. It asked for a rule to be added to the one that has now already taken place. (Post edited after I was corrected about the petition's original creation date)

Post by tim333 » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 2:19 PM UTC

frou_dh wrote: post #77

tim333 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The petition was set up before the first brexit vote. It's just people are voting for it now. What if after seeing the results, plunging markets, Farage admitting the £350m to the NHS thing was BS, Calais saying they'll move the refugee camps to the UK by refusing to allow the UK border control to operate in France, there is now a majority wanting to remain? Should they ram through the exit against the public wishes…

(removed inaccurate post)

Post by perlgeek » Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

sleavey wrote: post #45

perlgeek wrote: post #30

That's not how democracy works. If there is a referendum, and you don't like the result, you don't just do a second referendum. If you'd do that, you could achieve any result you want, just by doing it over and over until. Due to voter's fatigue and/or daily sentiment, results will vary, so you can pick a result by deciding when to stop. It might make sense (though still be questionable) to repeat the vote if major f…

Well, Nigel Farage immediately claimed after the vote was finished that he lied about one of the key statements made during the campaign (£350M/week to be spent on NHS instead of EU). Does that qualify as a major fact changing?