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Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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I hope this reduces the cost of their business offerings. I love the service, and the home offering is the deal of the century, but $500/month for 50Mb/sec symmetric or $250/month for 20Mb/sec symmetric is hard to swallow for our business (or any other). They offer faster service (gigabit and probably more) but what startup can pay 10k/month for their business internet? What's worse is monkeybrains and webpass should…

With plenty of venture capital, $10,000 per month is not the greatest expense by far, in San Francisco. That’s 800 employees on Slack Plus, or enough space for about 20 employees with an open floor office and no meeting rooms, or less than 1/10 of the salary of an average software engineer.

Certainly, you should try to eliminate unnecessary expenses. That’s one of the appeals of cloud services: You no longer need to buy your own servers and get professional Internet service to reach the whole world. Nor do you need to spend the time running all that stuff, which can be significant.

If you do need fast Internet for your startup, have you considered Sonic.net? They have gigabit fiber only in the Sunset district of San Francisco and a few other neighborhoods in the Bay Area, but their price is only $90 for a small business, or $40 per employee when you have 5 or more “work stations.” That’s 250 work stations before you reach $10k/month, and by then probably you have enough money and need for room to pay for an actual SoMa office.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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I wasn't aware of that. I'll have to look into it.

Internal IPv6 addresses are publicly addressable on Webpass but you may have to enable it on your router. If you have terminal access to your router and it supports iptables, you can manually enable forwarding for a specific port like this: ip6tables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 5005 -j ACCEPT ip6tables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 5005 -j ACCEPT ip6tables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 5005 -j ACCEPT ip6tables -I FORWARD -p tcp --…

What's the use case for using port forwarding with IPv6 rather than just allowing the traffic to the machine in question?

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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I hope this reduces the cost of their business offerings. I love the service, and the home offering is the deal of the century, but $500/month for 50Mb/sec symmetric or $250/month for 20Mb/sec symmetric is hard to swallow for our business (or any other). They offer faster service (gigabit and probably more) but what startup can pay 10k/month for their business internet? What's worse is monkeybrains and webpass should…

I'm curious, why is it that business plans are so much more expensive than residential ones?

I think they expect businesses to use more traffic, and to require more expense to support.

Practically all Internet service is oversubscribed to some extent. The uplink is maybe 1 gigabit, but the downlink that has been sold is maybe 30 gigabits to 200 gigabits, when you add up all the customers. It is actually a feature of the Internet, that you don’t use any bandwidth when you don’t send anything, and you have the full bandwidth available to you when nobody else is sending anything. You can’t afford high-speed Internet if you had to pay for all the bandwidth yourself.

The problem comes if you use the bandwidth a lot. For most of the day, home service is idle, with a peak in the evening when everybody is watching YouTube and Netflix at the same time. And that traffic is mostly downstream, so a big company like Comcast can receive it for free, or even charge the source for “transit.” Businesses peak at business hours for their time zone, and a lot of businesses have a significant amount of upload traffic. If your company successfully expands overseas, then it will be uploading all the time. In theory, business plans cannot be oversubscribed as much.

If your web site doesn’t use HTTPS, then the big ISPs also tend to do deep packet inspection, and some of them inject their own ads. Fun times.

Of course, there are also captive audiences and rent-seeking.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internal IPv6 addresses are publicly addressable on Webpass but you may have to enable it on your router. If you have terminal access to your router and it supports iptables, you can manually enable forwarding for a specific port like this: ip6tables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 5005 -j ACCEPT ip6tables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 5005 -j ACCEPT ip6tables -I FORWARD -p tcp --dport 5005 -j ACCEPT ip6tables -I FORWARD -p tcp --…

What's the use case for using port forwarding with IPv6 rather than just allowing the traffic to the machine in question?

I believe the above ip6tables rules already do what you describe; the only target is "ACCEPT", with no packet mangling.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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I have Verizon FiOS. Installation of it was subsidized by targeted tax breaks, use of government owned right of ways, and laws which substantially limited their liability for property damaged done during installation. I'm also pretty sure Verizon used funds gained from their other services to pay for the installation.

In most places FiOS deployment involves huge taxes, such as franchise fees and forced build-out into neighborhoods that will be unprofitable. (Tax breaks, to the extent they exist, are often carrots for the latter). Also, in many (most?) places Verizon pays the utility pole or conduit owner (usually the power company) for access to those rights of way. In Virginia, for example, you'll get a line-item on your bill for…

And in many places there is no forced build-out. The county I live in is only partially served by either FIOS or the cable company. The more rural part of the county is dependent on expensive WISP service because neither has been forced to build out into unprofitable neighborhoods.

The right-of-way fee covers costs for use of poles and conduits but also municipal right of way usage fees. The municipal right of way fees are much less than it would cost Verizon to otherwise negotiate and purchase right of ways from private property owners.

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