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Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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How does it compare against Amazon Cloud Drive that has unlimited storage for USD ~60/year?

Amazon Cloud Drive is only for Personal Non-Commercial use, and is only for use on desktops.

>only for use on desktops This doesn't seem true. I can use several scripting solutions from my VMs. For example, I am using rclone to sync my backups to ACD.

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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How does it compare against Amazon Cloud Drive that has unlimited storage for USD ~60/year?

Whoah. I had no idea about this. That's massively cheaper than Google and Dropbox. Is there some catch about max download size limits per day or something?

They have no sync client. Only manual upload and download.

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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Any different than Backblaze B2? Seems that B2 is still cheaper and more mature.

I tried to use B2 recently but was being forced to enter a phone number. Waiting for a response from support, but so far that's blocking me from using B2. I don't know if C14 is better or not.

Yev from Backblaze here -> We require a 2FV for Backblaze B2 for added security - it's not for sales purposes, but for our 2FV implementation.

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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Very interesting. Aside from the slight inconvenience of not being able to use standard tools like ftp, scp and rsync... Amazon Cloud Drive's $60 a year plan ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/clouddrive/ ) is still significantly cheaper for storing more than ~2.5TB. It's also free of charges per operation and such like. Amazon Cloud Drive doesn't seem to have any SLAs regarding uptime and redundancy though... I'm not sure i…

Can anyone with direct and frequent experience with Amazon Drive comment on how well the product's been working out for them overall? I've just been playing with its interface a little bit, and although its interface is unquestionably pretty clunky (both web and desktop app), it does seem like a I could save money by moving to its $60 unlimited plan. I currently use a set of S3 buckets, which is great in that it scal…

I've been fairly happy with it... though I'm not a heavy user. I've mostly used it to backup pictures and email.

I use rclone (http://rclone.org/) for my syncing email backups. It also supports a bunch of other storage backends, so it may be worthwhile checking out.

Edit: Rclone works from both Linux and the commandline... so it's extremely useful for serverside backups.

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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The name is interesting. I wonder if it's a reference to carbon 14, the radioactive isotope of carbon used for carbon dating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating

Or, maybe the service is 4.66 times as good as Amazon S3?

Or, the 14th letter of the alphabet is N. If we swap that for 14 we get "CN", which is the top-level domain for China, which is most certainly not in France.

The conspiracy theory possibilities are endless! ;)

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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This offer is really strange.

It claims lot of guaranties for your data (99,999999999% durability).

It claims to be secure against all natural and human destruction, despite being located in only one datacenter, 25 meters under the ground, in Paris, which means it could be subject to floods (directly or indirectly).

It claims to be able to handle formats that don't exist yet (for example, LTO-1 to LTO-10, the most recent version of the media being LTO-7).

It claims (with a footnote) to be able to handle "Secret Défense" data, which is extremely dubious. "Secret Défense" is the second most restricted classification in France. It's for highly sensitive information. Companies dealing with "Secret Défense" have to put many security measures in place (proper access control, separated networks, personnel habitation by the government, physical protection, tracking of every copy of every documents...) and are regularly audited by the government. The penalties for messing with that kind of data are pretty harsh, you could spend several years in prison if you publish an SD or just a CD (Confidentiel Défense) document, even accidentally.

Even if it's clearly targeting backup of state related data, it doesn't seem to have been audited by the ANSSI (french National Agency for Computer Security).

What is weird is that Online is a well established company (the parent company, Iliad is 4 billions euros in revenue).

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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It's nice that the customer actually gets to control the encryption key. I'm not too knowledgeable on secure cloud storage systems, but from what I've heard about other cloud storage systems that encrypt files, it's typically the cloud hoster who controls the keys.

Backblaze actually permits that:

You have the option with Backblaze to add an additional layer of privacy via a user-selected passphrase. This passphrase will be used to encrypt your private key. This passphrase is your responsibility to remember and safeguard. This is important: if you forget or lose this passphrase there is no way that anyone, including Backblaze, can decrypt, and thus restore, your data. When you choose to add your own passphrase there is no “forgot passphrase” mechanism as Backblaze does not know your passphrase.

https://www.backblaze.com/backup-encryption.html

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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This offer is really strange. It claims lot of guaranties for your data (99,999999999% durability). It claims to be secure against all natural and human destruction, despite being located in only one datacenter, 25 meters under the ground, in Paris, which means it could be subject to floods (directly or indirectly). It claims to be able to handle formats that don't exist yet (for example, LTO-1 to LTO-10, the most re…

Well, the shelter is still actually quite higher in Paris than the Seine (and quite far from it too), floods are not a concern at all in the area of this datacenter.

Regarding the LTO format, well LTO-10 seems to exist from what Google tells me (but I am no expert there to be honest ;)

As for the Secret Defense certification, this is ongoing, and, as you stated, we are part of a larger group which already have lots of relation with institutions like ANSSI but we (Online) have also been working with them to be certified in the coming months, of course this is a long and tedious process (as every certification is sic), but we are working on it every day and we see no reason we could not get to the end of it, we have a complete team of guys working on completing all the certifications displayed on the website and we are working with all our teams to get things done right for this.

The whole C14 infrastructure itself has been carefully designed from the beginning with people knowing all the certifications requirements to make sure nothing could get in the way to pass the certifications for it.

Hope this clears a bit your worries,

Mik (Online.net network)

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