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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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> What culture do Germans, Greeks, Latvians, Bulgarians, Fins, and Spaniards share? The one that used to be called the Roman Empire, then Christendom, and is now called Western Civilisation. It is also arguably the greatest achievement of the human species.

The Roman Empire had no cultural identity. People in Gaul had nothing in common with people in Egypt. The most Roman did is spread some Roman values to the elites but even that was often very thin. Christendom is totally divided with constant wars. The values are not uniform and christen philosophy was never particularly great. Rejection of most of those values defines modernity.

Yes it did. Romanization was a real thing. Much more so in the last centuries when both Galo-romans and Egyptians where christians. Even after the city of Rome was no longer relevant in the empire other provinces still produced staunch Roman patriots. The Illyrians are the best example. In the darkest times of the third century crisis the greek speaking romans from Syria formed guerrillas to tackle the Persians during the collapse of the goverment.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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That's a very strange, and in some cases inaccurate, portrayal of history. * The British were not an external enemy. That would have been the French. For the most part, even the people leading the revolution were proud of being British subjects and would have liked to remain so, but could no longer tolerate the conditions being attached to that status. Our enemy was recognized to be our own cousins, not some external…

George Washington was British :-)

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Of course. Civilisation is built with wars and by killing those who don't share the values of the majority. Why? Because if you don't do it, somebody else will do it to you. As simple as that. Pacifists are nuts.

You just summarised the goal of the European Nation, well the opposite of it anyway: trying to unite peacefully instead of killing each other endlessly.

Now I guess you would suggest the EU should invade the UK to set them back straight ? Third time the charm for Germany ?

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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They will come back- the world is gone, where superpowers try to charm the small players. Just look how the us stripped the swiss (a fellow democracy) of its main buisness-model (tax-avoidance). If you are not sumo-sized you will get shoved around, even with nukes.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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> What culture do Germans, Greeks, Latvians, Bulgarians, Fins, and Spaniards share? The one that used to be called the Roman Empire, then Christendom, and is now called Western Civilisation. It is also arguably the greatest achievement of the human species.

How is it the greatest achievement? There are many other civilizations.

Yes. But they are not all equal. If they are, cannibalism becomes a question of taste.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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As some people already said, even if the vote will be 'Leave' the Parliament most likely will not consider it and will not part ways with the EU siting some made-up problems, that "prohibit" the exit right away. Await another referendum until the necessary results are obtained.

Not so sure on this one: one thing that the UK is an example of is its respect for democracy. I hope the parliament accepts this non-binding vote, and take the necessary steps to swiftly break with the EU. We in the EU can then proceed unhindered.

> Not so sure on this one: one thing that the UK is an example of is its respect for democracy.

As a Brit, I find that laughable.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #522

Many US companies open a branch in London to enter the EU. It will be interesting to watch whether it does continue or if they choose another EU country.

This is the biggest risk, that every time a business wants to invest in Europe over the coming years London looks a little less attractive and Paris or Berlin a little more.
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