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C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

#21

Any different than Backblaze B2? Seems that B2 is still cheaper and more mature.

B2 has a file limit of 5GB. No thanks.

What's with the downvotes?

Here: "A file contains a sequence of bytes. Any file on your computer can be uploaded to B2 and stored in a Cloud Storage, as long as it's not too big. Files can range in size from 0 bytes to 5 billion bytes. "

https://www.backblaze.com/b2/docs/files.html

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

#22
It's nice that the customer actually gets to control the encryption key. I'm not too knowledgeable on secure cloud storage systems, but from what I've heard about other cloud storage systems that encrypt files, it's typically the cloud hoster who controls the keys.

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

#24
The one advantage of this business nobody is mentioning so far is that they've been around since 1999. The first thing I do when I see "long-term" or "put all your data in our hands" is see if they're a recent, VC-backed company. If they're recent, then they might be inexperienced. If they have a good team, then the product and network are still new with bugs waiting to be found. If they're VC-backed, then run. The reason being they'll sell out eventually with the service and your data possibly going offline. Happens way too much.

So, for anything long-term, I always recommend going with an established company with a track record for innovation. I don't know these people but they've been hosting since 1999. That means they showed up during a hard time [1] for IT then lasted and improved until 2016. I don't know if they're VC-backed or the quality of their product. Looks innovative, though, for a 90's era company. So, altogether a nice, first impression without the sell-out risk common among storage providers that show up on HN a lot.

Note: One can still use VC-backed providers so long as they're just one among many you use. That way you yourself can exit when they do without threat to operations.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

#25
Why is regular FTP even supported for so called secure storage?

So far it reads as secure 'because we say it is secure'? I find the whole idea of putting your data on hardware other control and still consider it 'secure' a bit strange. Though that might be just my twisted mind.

Also note they charge for internal traffic (and im not sure if you can measure these yourself to make sure the invoice is correct.):

"An operation is an action between your temporary safe-deposit box and C14 infrastructure: Archiving, Unarchiving, Destruction or Verification. Transactions are billed according to the volume of data to be processed at a price of € 0.01 / GB"

Do your math before simply signing up, my penny.

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

#26

Why is regular FTP even supported for so called secure storage? So far it reads as secure 'because we say it is secure'? I find the whole idea of putting your data on hardware other control and still consider it 'secure' a bit strange. Though that might be just my twisted mind. Also note they charge for internal traffic (and im not sure if you can measure these yourself to make sure the invoice is correct.): "An oper…

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Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

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Why is regular FTP even supported for so called secure storage? So far it reads as secure 'because we say it is secure'? I find the whole idea of putting your data on hardware other control and still consider it 'secure' a bit strange. Though that might be just my twisted mind. Also note they charge for internal traffic (and im not sure if you can measure these yourself to make sure the invoice is correct.): "An oper…

the FTP is actually TLS enabled

Mik (Online.net staff)

Re: C14 – Cheap, secure long term cloud storage

#29
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sounds similar to backblaze... though they use XFS (IIRC) for their file system, but do the RAID type stuff themselves...

Nope, with Backblaze you have instant access to an individual file. Here you need to unarchive your safe, which can take up to a few hours (depending on the size of the vault), and only then you have access to the content of the safe. No way to retrieve only 1 file, or have instant access.

i dont mean their service is like backblaze, i mean their underlying tech...
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