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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Young people in the UK got really really screwed.

Young people in the UK were already screwed.

Leaving the EU will open up a whole range of challenges and opportunities, some of which may see young people ending up slightly less screwed.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

I wrote a lengthy article on this when James Dyson made the same arguments.

In short, I'm very unconvinced. In negotiation, the person who cares less wins. Individual EU countries - who would have to vote on any deal - care a lot less about their exports to the UK, because they're a small percentage of their economy, than the UK cares about its exports to the EU, which are just under half of all our exports.

https://medium.com/im-trying-to-fact-check-brexit/fact-check...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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[quote]Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, has told ITV’s Good Morning Britain that he thought it was a mistake for the Vote Leave campaign to say that it could save £350m a week by leaving the EU and that the money could go to the NHS.[/quote] Well, nice to see that UKIP is wasting no time backtracking from the lies they sold this vote with.

Not that I'm an advocate for Nigel Farage or UKIP, but this is:

a) Conflating campaign promises (it was Vote Leave who made the promise, not UKIP, so Farage is not backtracking on anything);

b) Misunderstanding the nature of promises made during this campaign; there is no real 'official' leave campaign, and by voting to leave in the referendum, we have not elected any campaign group into power.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #420

As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…

You're talking cars. The EU is talking survival. The UK will get indeed a bad deal. And the rest of the EU will stick together even closer. I hear "fiscal harmonization", e.g. common taxation is the new big thing.

Common taxation will be a good argument for countries of communistic block to leave. Good luck with that.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #271

So, devil's advocate here: Can someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? I feel like most educated people seem to think this is terrible (and the markets seem to agree), but to me, the European union seems like an anti-democratic institution that doesn't really provide much value. I mean, don't me wrong, removing trade barriers is probably good. But won't the UK just be able to pretty quickly renegotiate basical…

I fact-checked this a while ago.

The EU is arguably more democratic than the UK, and certainly it's very hard to show it's less so.

https://medium.com/im-trying-to-fact-check-brexit/fact-check...

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #378

I'm a Finn, and always thought that UK could be an interesting place to live some day. This decision completely destroys that possibility because moving to a non-EU country is not a realistic option -- I wouldn't go out of my way to look for bureaucratic headaches. Since the UK doesn't want people like me, I guess it will increasingly become another place I never think about. This was a major win for isolationism, bu…

I wouldn't assume the UK "doesn't want" people like you there. I think they just want better say over who comes into their country.

It's very possible, and perhaps even likely, that they will look to implement a similar solution as the US has -- visas for skilled workers, to the extent they have a need for foreign labor, and there might even be direct relationships with high-tech hubs like Scandinavia.

But yes, there will be added bureaucracy, and some people will choose not to go because of it.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

The US did not magic itself into existence as a united state. It began in common purpose with a shared, very strong, external enemy. It then assigned itself a shared dream of settling the content. And, crucially, it already had a shared cultural identity, shared language, and shared religion when it began. The EU does not have a common enemy to force it together. It does not have a shared language, or culture, or ide…

You forgot the part where the US tried one form of government and then ditched it for a different one 10 years later.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #198

I think this should be a wake up call for those of us who are American. Populist movements that rely heavily on anger, fear, and anti-immigration rhetoric can still be effective in western democracies even if a large majority of experts think it shouldn't and won't happen. This is the first time I have legitimately thought we might end up with a Trump presidency.

It's a byproduct of the shaky economic prospects of the working class resulting from the 2008 crash. Anyone who finds the rising populist and nationalist sentiment surprising shoud go read some history for pointers on what happens next.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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post #283

The alt-right agenda gets their first win. It's not just crazy ideas that people will never validate.

There's nothing 'alt' about xenophobia over immigration. This is also the primary explanation for the rise of UKIP, the Front National, the Dansk Folkeparti, the AfD, Geert Wilders’ PVV, and so on.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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People of Ireland speaking here:

-Want to stay in the EU?

-Enjoy low corporate tax rate of 12.5%? Pro-business government?

-Enjoy friendly, well educated, English speaking, Pro-American people, good beer, decent music, nice quality of life, low crime and safe green natural environment?

Invest in Ireland -> http://www.idaireland.com

This has been a public service announcement from the country next door. #irelandlovesyou :)

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