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UK votes to leave EU

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by jernfrost »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #24
lossolo wrote: post #5

Unfortunately nationalism and populism won another war. Now watch Scotland make referendum to leave UK and after leaving they will join EU.

Is populism supposed to be bad? I just looked up the definition to make sure and it's basically the principle that ordinary people should have control over government rather than political insiders and wealthy elite. That sounds like democracy to me. Is there an aspect I'm missing?

Yes populism is bad. That is what has destroy South America with people like Hugo Chavez e.g. Populism is about shameless pandering to the emotions of the masses, rather than having a grown up talk about the nuances of real life and real politics.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dangjc »

_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

Freedom of movement is an ideal to aspire to, but maybe the reality we live in now is that immigration needs to be managed to maintain social cohesion. People need time to stop thinking of themselves as British or German first but rather European. Eastern European countries need time to develop. The Eurozone needs time to stabilize. Eventually I think the EU will get there, but maybe for now, the survival of the European project depends on reconciling ideals with realities.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by nicky0 »

ivoras wrote: post #392

One more thing: the UK was the official reason English is one of the languages of the EU (same as, on paper at least, with all the other languages). It will require some more fiddling to keep it so.

I'm sure the Irish will have something to say about it.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by DonaldFisk »

jackgavigan wrote: post #75

There's a decent chance that this will spur the EU into proposing a package of reforms with a view towards a second referendum. Technically, this referendum was an advisory referendum (i.e. its result is not legally binding). If that doesn't happen, I would expect the UK to shift from membership of the EU to membership of the European Economic Area (alongside Norway and Iceland) or similar.

Unlikely. Much of the resentment from Leave voters was over immigration from EU countries. The EEA guarantees free movement of people within it.

If there are further referendums, they'll be for Scottish independence, Irish unity and for Gibraltar to become part of Spain.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by gadders »

_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

We're actually still in Europe. We're just not in the EU. EU != Europe.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by grondilu »

_ph_ wrote: post #468

A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…

In politics, I don't think bigger is better. I'd even say it's dangerous.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by herbst »

dharma1 wrote: post #290
darawk wrote: post #271

So, devil's advocate here: Can someone explain to me why this is a bad thing? I feel like most educated people seem to think this is terrible (and the markets seem to agree), but to me, the European union seems like an anti-democratic institution that doesn't really provide much value. I mean, don't me wrong, removing trade barriers is probably good. But won't the UK just be able to pretty quickly renegotiate basical…

A lot of businesses, including startups, will consider where they need to be based for access to a European single market. Until today that was likely to be London.

Estonia. All the benefits are with Estonia anyway, UK was just prefered because it sounds cheap at first. (IMO)

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Post by [deleted] »

spraak wrote: post #594
cabalamat wrote: post #568

> What culture do Germans, Greeks, Latvians, Bulgarians, Fins, and Spaniards share? The one that used to be called the Roman Empire, then Christendom, and is now called Western Civilisation. It is also arguably the greatest achievement of the human species.

> It is also arguably the greatest achievement of the human species. Bleh, gross

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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by yarou »

This is really a historic moment. It could signal the end of the Maastricht experiment.

A long and protracted disengagement period will only worsen volatility in the market, because of uncertainty around trade deals, as well as the political uncertainty of the UK itself.

Not to sound like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, but it's not surprising that Soros decided to go long on gold when he did.

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