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Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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You can also cache intermediate results from calculations, the idea is don't fetch things you don't need. And as you know the result from fetching an add is going to be blank you don't need to fetch it. Much like a screen reader not downloading a JPEG. As to downloading you can try it you self your talking fractions of a watt savings from not downloading a few Meg's. In terms of other downloads from a page, most of t…

But how is it all relevant to the discussion? Bottom line is that using adblock in one browser and not using it in other browser makes the comparisons meaningless...

People are objecting to add blocking as a perfectly normal browser feature. There is a mindset that as soon as people start wearing augmented reality glasses they are going to want context sensitive advertising in their day to day lives. IMO, most people would much rather block real world adds and overlay them with blank space or even nature scenes.

Browser advertising fits into the same argument as adds on cable television. Subscribe to Hulu and no the adds don't go away.

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So do the WebKit/safari teams' respective efforts to reduce power consumption not count? It seems odd that they didn't compare against safari given Apple makes a dedicated effort to reduce power consumption. That it's a "mode" which defaults to off says a lot - the things it does aren't acceptable all of the time apparently, so you choose between features/performance, and battery life.

Ok so for those who didn't quite get it - my point was that Opera are claiming to be the first 'battery saving' browser, and then completely ignore Safari in their tests.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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I have found that safari gives best battery time on OSX (like 9 hours of use vs 6-7 when on firefox). But i generally dont use safari as battery time is not the most important factor in my common use cases.

Safari has the same problem that Edge/IE has - it's only on one OS.

If it's on the OS that you use, that's hardly a problem.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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As opposed to your Apple iPhone where through the magic of telemetry every app is dumping your every finger motion into services like Mixpanel and Kahuna for later analysis. For clarity, they captured the extremely detailed telemetry from their test devices . Most of the telemetry that Microsoft ships back to the mothership is the exact kind of telemetry that apps from the Apple Store, iOS Store, Android Store and Ch…

> As opposed to your Apple iPhone where through the magic of telemetry every app is dumping your every finger motion into services like Mixpanel and Kahuna for later analysis. This is not true at all. And there is a difference between your smartphone and your laptop, even if you can't see it.

Just one of many links on Google for an appropriate search string. This one is dated and no longer accurate, but the phenomenon still occurs.

http://lifehacker.com/lets-talk-about-apples-privacy-issues-...

They have and they do, on every device. And that's ignoring app specific telemetry, which is explicitly allowed on all app stores.

It is one thing to not want to share that data. It's another entirely to invoke a 7+ year old corporate culture as evidence Microsoft is the sole "bad" actor in the space when every vendor openly discusses their telemetry collection.

How much did we hear about Chrome telemetry at I/O and PWAS? A lot. More to come. And it's necessary to make software products affordable o produce, unfortunately.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…

So Microsoft is great based on some secret data that we have no access to. Which microsoft collects from my computer without my knowledge. And it is all collected by their opaque closed source os. But hey they may be right. Nothing stops them from adding code in windows 10 that intentionally wastes power whenever the user is running chrome. The more i read this the more pissed off i feel about using windows 10. Unfor…

You can intercept this data with a proxy and your own root SSL cert if you want. MS doesn't do certificate pinning unlike some people in this space.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Coming from the embedded world, I have always concern about CPU loading which translates to how much power you are sucking. I can't not understand why minimal CPU load is not on top of design requirement of many software products, totally ignored if on a desktop system.

We're even seeing websites now care about how they cause power consumption. Folks at PWAS did hallway talks about measuring it. Very cool.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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As opposed to your Apple iPhone where through the magic of telemetry every app is dumping your every finger motion into services like Mixpanel and Kahuna for later analysis. For clarity, they captured the extremely detailed telemetry from their test devices . Most of the telemetry that Microsoft ships back to the mothership is the exact kind of telemetry that apps from the Apple Store, iOS Store, Android Store and Ch…

> As opposed to your Apple iPhone where through the magic of telemetry every app is dumping your every finger motion into services like Mixpanel and Kahuna for later analysis. This is not true at all. And there is a difference between your smartphone and your laptop, even if you can't see it.

Yes, telemetry from my smartphone is even more invasive to my privacy, having my location at all times, as well as being the single location with all my communications.

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And of course couple of minutes after I made my point about my second comment being downvoted, the downvotes were reversed and that comment was upvoted instead.

so your argument is that microsoft keeps on hand enough accounts with high enough karma to downvote you and then also upvote you when you call out their conspiracy so that they dont seem to be downvoting you? your life must be a constant wonder

Actually, the likely scenario is that Microsoft employees make up a sizable portion of the HN user base (relative to smaller companies) and when an MS employee sees something antagonistic towards MS, they downvote.

Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Facebook to varying degrees all have the same phenomenon on HN. It's not the PR team, it's the eng team in their spare time.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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So I did put in another comment that was in an overwhelmingly positive tone and that one got downvoted as well. And no they have not released the script. So I guess it was not about the tone.

And of course couple of minutes after I made my point about my second comment being downvoted, the downvotes were reversed and that comment was upvoted instead.

This is not reddit. Read the rules and stop whining about your downvotes.

Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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Edge platform team employee here. A couple thoughts on methodology, focusing on our scripted test (under "stay productive longer" at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/06/20/more-... ), which is most comparable to Opera's test; nobody seems to challenge our Netflix results: * We did not enable ad blockers, because we were testing the efficiency of the network stack, browser rendering pipeline, etc.; if…

Could you disclose/open source your methodology?
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