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Re: Why we challenge Microsoft’s battery test

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In that case you might as well browse different websites because using adblocker makes your browser render different content.

Microsoft is welcome to include a native content blocker in their rendering engine

Sure, but then my browser with native procrastination protection will beat the pants off both: when you type in a url it just renders "get back to work, maggot."

It even works without a network connection.

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Microsoft didn't just do a battery test, they also release statistics based on Windows 10 telemetry showing that Edge has better battery life than Chrome, Firefox: "In addition to testing battery life internally, Microsoft also looks at tens of millions of PCs that send telemetry data to the firm, Weber said. And what it sees there is simple: A small advantage over Firefox, but massive gains of about 50 percent addit…

Is that telemetry data able to determine how much of the battery is being used by just the browser? It would seem difficult to me to distinguish between battery power used by a browser, and say, code compiling in the background while I surf the web.

People who use the Edge browser may do less on their computers while web browsing than people who use chrome?

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Opera with an ad blocker vs Edge without it doesn't seem like an ubiased test.

Even with the ad blocker being a feature in opera out of the box? They were trying to show that opera can achieve better battery performance based on it's features and optimizations. Does that not include the ad-blocker?

Limiting the test to features built into the browser is pointless and doesn't represent real usage. People who turn on the Opera ad-blocker will install an ad-blocker in Chrome, Edge, or Firefox.

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Not necessarily true if both ad blockers are using the same filter lists. I find Adblock Plus and uBlock Origin (I prefer the latter) to be relatively on par in terms of things they block and things they tend to miss, even cross browser. I think the initial pageload would be the biggest differnce, as it relies on the performance of the adblocker in applying its filters to the DOM once it's loaded. The underlying exte…

His point is that only one of the browsers was using an ad blocker so they were rendering different content because one rendered ads and the other did not.

Oh, I totally missed the part where Opera has the ad blocker turned on by default. Ignore my rambling then; my sleepy brain thought he was talking about two browsers that both had different ad blockers installed.

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No, I don't think so. Maybe I'm a bit paranoid but I tend to avoid software from Chinese companies because of all recent stories of a apps stealing/sending data that they don't necessarily need to function. But I suppose software from any country could do the same thing though...

And what is your position about hardware?

Most hardware we use here, though manufactured in China, is still wholly owned by American companies though.

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Opera being better than Edge is a claim I might believe but I don't think Edge is almost as bad as Chrome.

I stopped using Chrome when I discovered it took hours off my battery life on a MacBook. Edge can't be almost as bad. Intuitively I would believe the ranking in terms of battery life would be Safari > Edge or Opera > Firefox > Chrome.

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I wonder how much battery would be saved if not every site you visited was reported to bing api or opera sitecheck. But most power is is probably used to light the screen, so an extension to make every page use a black theme would probably beat most optimizations.

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Opera with an ad blocker vs Edge without it doesn't seem like an ubiased test.

Perhaps the fairest approach would be to compare results across the different browsers with the presence or absence of various adblockers: * Edge (no adblocker) * Opera (default adblocker) * Opera (adblocker disabled) * Chrome (no adblocker) * Chrome (uBlock Origin) Otherwise you're just lying through omission to make your product seem better.

I wish they had done this instead of just said "look ours is faster when we enable adblocker on one browser but don't use it on another."

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What really surprised me were the run times of that laptop. Man that is crappy battery life for both instances. My thinkpad T220 with extended battery and 13" Macbook pro both decimate that battery life.

They had the screen brightness at 100%. I imagine that eats through a lot of battery...
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