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Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by adrusi »

Manishearth wrote: post #42
fiedzia wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that many people use the term "guy" without relation to sex or even being a person.

I know. I'm not questioning the intention, I'm requesting the term not be used that way -- it is known to alienate people.

Communication is a two-way street. A polite speaker has to take into consideration how their audience wants to be addressed, but polite listeners need to take into consideration that the speaker's words are the speaker's. My autistic brother will get very anxious when he anticipates a specific phrase in response to something but the person words it differently from how he expects, and he then insists that the person repeat the phrase with the "correct" version. The motivation is different from blind political-correctness, but the crime is the same. Words are symbolic of experience, and even though we all generally agree on what words mean, different people associate them with different experiences, so they essentially have reimplementation of the same word. Why should one person have to fully accomodate one person's implementation of "guy" while the other person just ignores what they know the first person means by that word?

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by nutheracc »

kushti wrote: post #33
eximius wrote: post #6

Hmmm. That 20% of Rust users identify as part of an 'underrepresented group' does not seem like poor number. I would naively guess that it is a larger percentage than exists in the overall technical population. If that's correct, then bravo Rust! (If anyone knows about numbers along those lines, I'd love to hear about it.)

This part of survey is really weird and full of American racist bigotry. What does "Person of color" mean considering people all around the globe? In Africa or India whites are super-minorities so should they vote as "persons of color"?

Yes, minority is geographical, yet somehow it's come to mean not white male, a western view point. Not sure how female keeps getting classified as minority.

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by steveklabnik »

nutheracc wrote: post #62

The link is now locked. Can we replace it with something interesting? Or a cached copy?

There will be some kind of actual communication of this data at some point, quite possibly on the official Rust blog. This was a rough draft of the post that was leaked.

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by egeozcan »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #53
viraptor wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd also like to see that. I'm in the "temporarily stopped using" camp. I love it, I got to the level where I don't fight the language anymore, but facing reality - I don't have a reason to use it. Everything I do at the moment, I can finish faster in Python and I know it's enough. (sysadmin / deployment / security tools) The moment I need good performance and safety (new protocol server?), I'll reach for Rust. But I…

I went further and now I write in Rust with the same speed as with PHP. And my benefits: awesome system of errors handling, enums, match patterns, easy and safe multithreading, MySQL shared prepared queries, and majority of bugs is being catched by compiler (thanks to strict typing and a lot of checks in compiler).

So you jumped from PHP to Rust? That is very interesting.

May I ask what you were doing in PHP that you do now in Rust?

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by EugeneOZ »

egeozcan wrote: post #65
EugeneOZ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went further and now I write in Rust with the same speed as with PHP. And my benefits: awesome system of errors handling, enums, match patterns, easy and safe multithreading, MySQL shared prepared queries, and majority of bugs is being catched by compiler (thanks to strict typing and a lot of checks in compiler).

So you jumped from PHP to Rust? That is very interesting. May I ask what you were doing in PHP that you do now in Rust?

REST API for Angular SPA and Ionic mobile apps.

Few months ago I wrote this article: https://medium.com/@eugeniyoz/restful-api-in-rust-impression...

A lot of things between me and Rust has changed since then, but all changes are positive :)

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by logingone »

steveklabnik wrote: post #64
nutheracc wrote: post #62

The link is now locked. Can we replace it with something interesting? Or a cached copy?

There will be some kind of actual communication of this data at some point, quite possibly on the official Rust blog. This was a rough draft of the post that was leaked.

Yes, put something interesting in its place please, rust-related.

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by weberc2 »

kevincox wrote: post #58
qznc wrote: post #11

> By large margin, users are often grabbing vim to do their Rust work in I would rather assume the reverse theory. Vim users are more likely to use new languages since they don't expect complex IDE support. Or maybe just: Early adopter and vim user correlates.

To be fair. With YouCompleteMe and rust-racer support the tooling for Rust in vim is solid.

I disagree. I'm used to vim-go, and the difference between that and YCM + rust-racer is stark. Rust really needs to catch up here before it can get a larger share of my hobby time.

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by Argorak »

qznc wrote: post #59
kevincox wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair. With YouCompleteMe and rust-racer support the tooling for Rust in vim is solid.

That is only completion? IDEs provide more. Refactoring and Debugging, for example. (I'm a vimmer myself, but that is what I hear other people complain about)

Sure, but you have to start somewhere.

With the internal representations of Rust still being changing almost weekly, transformational tasks are a chore.

Debugging is shipped through Rust support in gdb and rust-gdb, so it is coming.

That's the thing about Rust: there's always lots of stuff that is close. We prefer solid over half-baked, and try not to advertise stuff in flight to much.

Re: Results of Rust Survey 2016 – early draft for internal usage

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Post by weberc2 »

Manishearth wrote: post #42
fiedzia wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that many people use the term "guy" without relation to sex or even being a person.

I know. I'm not questioning the intention, I'm requesting the term not be used that way -- it is known to alienate people.

> it is known to alienate people

I've not heard this before. Citation?

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