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Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Coming from australia and not familiar at all with Webpass... is the latency low? ie. could people use this for gaming internet connections?

Yes. It's point to point wireless to a building and Ethernet from there. No real latency issue there.

Curious what they're using for backhaul wireless links if they're offering 1 gbps service. Not many solutions can handle that kind of speed.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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My webpass is already 1 Gbps symmetric. If yours is less, it's a per-building upgrade (so maybe with additional capital they'd do that in more places) and may not be feasible. Disclosure: I work at Google (but not on Fiber).

Coming from australia and not familiar at all with Webpass... is the latency low? ie. could people use this for gaming internet connections?

I've got about 15ms to google.com (and the silly speedtest.net page reports 4ms for whatever they chose nearby).

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My webpass is already 1 Gbps symmetric. If yours is less, it's a per-building upgrade (so maybe with additional capital they'd do that in more places) and may not be feasible. Disclosure: I work at Google (but not on Fiber).

Coming from australia and not familiar at all with Webpass... is the latency low? ie. could people use this for gaming internet connections?

The latency to the West Coast Battle.net server is a very steady 12ms according to the Starcraft in-game UI.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Yes. It's point to point wireless to a building and Ethernet from there. No real latency issue there.

Curious what they're using for backhaul wireless links if they're offering 1 gbps service. Not many solutions can handle that kind of speed.

Looks like millimeter wave: https://webpass.net/about_network.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Webpass has only been doing fiber for 10 months [0], as far as I know the bulk of their customers in SF are on fixed wireless. I'm discouraged by this announcement - now it seems there's zero chance of widespread Google Fiber in SF. [0] https://webpass.net/blog/fiber-is-here

I'm surprised by your downvotes. While "zero chance" might be a bit dramatic, it seems like this warrants discussion. Does this mean that Google thinks P2P wireless is the way to cover urban areas? Will it disincentivize them from persevering through a city-wide fiber installation because P2P wireless is "good enough"? Or is it a good opening play for fiber in SF because Webpass was already navigating the zoning/regulation/rights and just needed capital to succeed? I'd be very interested to hear others' perspectives on this.

Disclosure edit: I'm a current Webpass P2P wireless customer. I was literally about to switch away from Webpass to another P2P wireless solution (we have a site evaluation next Monday) because Webpass has been unreliable for us lately. I'm really curious what, if anything, this means for Webpass and Google Fiber in SF.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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So will Webpass be faster now?

My webpass is already 1 Gbps symmetric. If yours is less, it's a per-building upgrade (so maybe with additional capital they'd do that in more places) and may not be feasible. Disclosure: I work at Google (but not on Fiber).

It's more the interconnection with the rest of the Internet than the building uplink... :)

My building is on 500mbit Webpass and things get pretty dire at peak times.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My webpass is already 1 Gbps symmetric. If yours is less, it's a per-building upgrade (so maybe with additional capital they'd do that in more places) and may not be feasible. Disclosure: I work at Google (but not on Fiber).

It's more the interconnection with the rest of the Internet than the building uplink... :) My building is on 500mbit Webpass and things get pretty dire at peak times.

me too: Argenta.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My webpass is already 1 Gbps symmetric. If yours is less, it's a per-building upgrade (so maybe with additional capital they'd do that in more places) and may not be feasible. Disclosure: I work at Google (but not on Fiber).

Coming from australia and not familiar at all with Webpass... is the latency low? ie. could people use this for gaming internet connections?

Based on what I know of Webpass' network architecture, I'd be very surprised if latency was >5ms average from any of their individual on-net buildings back to any of the major IX points where they have routers in the SF Bay area.

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My webpass is already 1 Gbps symmetric. If yours is less, it's a per-building upgrade (so maybe with additional capital they'd do that in more places) and may not be feasible. Disclosure: I work at Google (but not on Fiber).

Coming from australia and not familiar at all with Webpass... is the latency low? ie. could people use this for gaming internet connections?

As someone who used to live in Sydney and now in SF with Webpass... I can tell you that Webpass would be what a proper NBN rollout would look like. It's kind of amazing. It only costs $60/month and you just get an ethernet drop.

No login, no metering, no shaping.

Example latency:

  admin@RT-AC5300-E6A0:/tmp/home/root# ping -c 5 8.8.8.8
  PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes
  64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=0 ttl=55 time=3.526 ms
  64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=1 ttl=55 time=3.559 ms
  64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=2 ttl=55 time=3.547 ms
  64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=3 ttl=55 time=3.518 ms
  64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=4 ttl=55 time=3.584 ms

  --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---
  5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss
  round-trip min/avg/max = 3.518/3.546/3.584 ms

Re: Google Fiber agrees to acquire Webpass

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Wow, unexpected. I used Webpass when I was in SF and was very happy with the quality of their service, so them getting more capital to expand is a great development.

Yep, WebPass was by far and away the best ISP I've ever had. They actually emailed me in advance about planned service interruptions! Wow!!!
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