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Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by riot504 »

exodust wrote: post #408
riot504 wrote: post #247

Why waste all this money and time designing something that is great the way it is? Give a cow some land, feed it some grass, wait a few months, kill the cow and now you have real beef. Nature intended it to be this way.

Nature also intended humans to use intelligence when sharing thoughts with others. If you bother to dig a little deeper than your mindless appetite for cheeseburgers and attempted internet wit, perhaps you'll discover the answer to your own question.

There wasn't any Internet wit in there. The problem stems from current livestock farming practices. Fixing that problem is far easier than trying to create lab grown meat, and in the end will be healthier as it doesn't require a change in our biological system.

Do you really believe our body's are going to process 'fake meat' as 'real meat'? I am highly skeptical of that aspect as well. Furthermore, you have taken the very natural element of food out of the picture by growing meat in a lab, this is a very primal element that technology has forgotten.

Plus food is not complicated. Humans have made it complicated over the last 50-60 years. Food has been a basic necessity of life, yet most struggle with every aspect related to food, from acquiring it to cooking it.

Don't get me wrong I see this type of innovation has being very important to long-term space travel or planet colonization but for everyday human consumption I view this as a waste of time and energy.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by riot504 »

Do we really believe our body's are going to process 'fake meat' as 'real meat'? I am highly skeptical of that aspect as well. Moreover, we are removing a very natural element out of food (killing an animal for meat) out of the picture by growing meat in a lab, this is a very primal element that technology has forgotten.

The problem stems from current livestock farming practices. Fixing that problem is far easier than trying to create lab grown meat, and in the end will be healthier as it doesn't require a change in our biological system.

Plus food is not complicated. Humans have made it complicated over the last 50-60 years. Food has been a basic necessity of life, yet most struggle with every aspect related to food, from acquiring it to cooking it.

Don't get me wrong I see this type of innovation as being very important to long-term space travel or planet colonization but for everyday human consumption I view this as a waste of time and energy.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by MustardTiger »

cowpewter wrote: post #419
MustardTiger wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of people who need to be on a keto diet is incredibly tiny though. Most people who are on them do not need to be, all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not.

Hi. I have Type 2 diabetes and PCOS. 3 months of a ketogenic diet lowered my A1c from 6.8 ("you have diabetes") to 5.6 ("normal range"). I've also lost 25 lbs in that 3 months without feeling hungry or deprived. I use to crave carbs, and would wind up binging on them. Now most of them do not even register as 'food' to my brain. However, on days when I eat maybe a few too many berries instead of sticking to green vegg…

>3 months of a ketogenic diet lowered my A1c from 6.8 ("you have diabetes") to 5.6 ("normal range"). I've also lost 25 lbs in that 3 months without feeling hungry or deprived.

All of which would be true on a low carb diet without ketosis. Which you may very well have been doing since you don't know if you were in ketosis or not.

> A ketogenic diet is definitely best for my health

Your completely unsupported anecdote of a single person claiming so does not counter the overwhelming scientific evidence consisting of actual studies, with multiple participants, proper measures, and control groups.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by cowpewter »

MustardTiger wrote: post #443
cowpewter wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi. I have Type 2 diabetes and PCOS. 3 months of a ketogenic diet lowered my A1c from 6.8 ("you have diabetes") to 5.6 ("normal range"). I've also lost 25 lbs in that 3 months without feeling hungry or deprived. I use to crave carbs, and would wind up binging on them. Now most of them do not even register as 'food' to my brain. However, on days when I eat maybe a few too many berries instead of sticking to green vegg…

>3 months of a ketogenic diet lowered my A1c from 6.8 ("you have diabetes") to 5.6 ("normal range"). I've also lost 25 lbs in that 3 months without feeling hungry or deprived. All of which would be true on a low carb diet without ketosis. Which you may very well have been doing since you don't know if you were in ketosis or not. > A ketogenic diet is definitely best for my health Your completely unsupported anecdote…

Okay let me just put it this way. When I consistently eat under ~30g net carbs a day, not only does my blood glucose remain at non-organ-damaging levels, but I can effortlessly resist the temptation to eat things like bread, pizza, and pasta.

When I start eating more than 50g net carbs a day, suddenly I want to shove all the pizza in the world in my mouth. Given that pizza will absolutely kill me, a diabetic, via kidney damage, a "very low carb, high fat" diet (which is much easier to explain/abbreviate as "ketogenic") diet is best for me, personally.

I know it's an anecdote, and it certainly doesn't mean a VLCHF diet is right for anyone else, but it's working for me.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by adrusi »

makeset wrote: post #438
adrusi wrote: post #421

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You're making a lot of assumptions: I'm not a vegetarian, first of all. My point is simply that tricking someone into eating tofurkey is objectively more moral than tricking them into eating turkey, because both involve equal trickery, but it is incredibly improbable that anyone has moral objections to tofurkey (and in the specific case, this was a certainty). With a stranger it's more complicated because they might…

Fine, but you being vegetarian wasn't part of my objection. You're the one making assumptions. I don't eat tofu for ethical reasons, and I shouldn't have to justify them over your own to prevent you from violating my bodily integrity by deception if I were to eat at your table. Your argument is still deplorable and morally corrupt.

In spite of my better judgement, I'll continue this discussion. What could possibly be your moral objection to soy? Is it GMO related? If it's Monsanto's abusive practices toward farmers, how is eating turkey any different, considering the similar entrapment practices of the poultry industry? If it's because you object to the idea of GMOs, then have you considered that GMO practices could help develop crops for cultivation in hunger-stricken areas, and that GMOs can enable the use of pesticides that are less damaging to the environment? How do you justify that objection when it stifles progress that could save lives? It seems similar to objections to stem cell research.

If it's unrelated to GMOs, I'm genuinely interested in what your objection might be.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by vacri »

colechristensen wrote: post #434
vacri wrote: post #372

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100M is an order of magnitude more than 60M, by definition. "order of magnitude" doesn't mean "ten times as much", it means "you have to use another column to describe it"... and so 1x10^8 is an order of magnitude more than 6x10^7...

You're just wrong. Here are three sources that say an order of magnitude means ten times as much: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/order-of-magnitude http://www.thefreedictionary.com/order+of+magnitude

Each of those links say that it can be used both ways. I was wrong that it wasn't used the OP's way, but not wrong in my own definition of it.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by MustardTiger »

cowpewter wrote: post #444
MustardTiger wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>3 months of a ketogenic diet lowered my A1c from 6.8 ("you have diabetes") to 5.6 ("normal range"). I've also lost 25 lbs in that 3 months without feeling hungry or deprived. All of which would be true on a low carb diet without ketosis. Which you may very well have been doing since you don't know if you were in ketosis or not. > A ketogenic diet is definitely best for my health Your completely unsupported anecdote…

Okay let me just put it this way. When I consistently eat under ~30g net carbs a day, not only does my blood glucose remain at non-organ-damaging levels, but I can effortlessly resist the temptation to eat things like bread, pizza, and pasta. When I start eating more than 50g net carbs a day, suddenly I want to shove all the pizza in the world in my mouth. Given that pizza will absolutely kill me, a diabetic, via kid…

Now go back and read the post you replied to in the first place. The entire point was low carb diets work regardless of ketosis.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by sevenless »

saynsedit wrote: post #58
sevenless wrote: post #42

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One potential problem: the heme that they're claiming gives it flavor comes from a genetically modified yeast. It's a GMO, and people who're vegan on principle often don't like that.

What does being "vegan on principle" mean here? What specific principles are you talking about? Some vegans do it because killing animals is morally bankrupt. Some vegans do it because raising livestock is unsustainable. There is not enough land on earth for everyone to have a meat diet. Some vegans do it because it's healthier. In general you can expect to ingest less toxins by eating lower on the food chain. I'm no…

It's an informal sociological clustering observation. Vegans are often sort of 'hippy' types, who place value on food being 'natural', 'organic' and dislike GMOs.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by codehotter »

ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

I've also been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and the idea of eating dead animals disgusts me, as does the taste of it.

I find it very difficult to understand how meat eaters can manage to get it through their throat without throwing up, but to each their own.

I sometimes get comments about how environmentally conscious I am or how ethical I am for being vegetarian, but I don't feel virtuous at all. It doesn't take any special willpower for me not to eat meat, I have zero craving for it.

I hate vegetarian food that tries to replicate the taste and texture of meat.

As other commenters have mentioned, there's a big market for just honest vegetarian cooking that does not try to imitate anything.

The same goes for food as for people: just be yourself! Don't try to be something you're not.

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