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Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

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Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

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"Raise your hand if the thing you wanted most from your next phone was either fewer ports or more dongles. I didn’t think so. You wanted better battery life, didn’t you? Everyone just wants better battery life." raises hand to second point Show me a phone battery that lasts a week between charges, and I shall show you my wallet

Pretty much. But it's not about a feature we want but a feature the device builders want. And some users may not want.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

#112

Four opinions, going off of this article and partly in response to Gruber's[0]: 1. There was a functional reason that CDs and floppies went out of style: low capacity and the Internet. What’s the functional reason to get rid of analog headphones? It’s not quality – analog headphones have excellent sound quality, and 99% of people won’t be able to tell the difference with ‘digital’ sound, right? 2. So what happens if…

Wireless headphones are another battery to charge, maintain, replace... Not ideal, imo not even an improvement. My phone is on my person when I use headphones with it, so untethering isn't really a plus. The only advantage I can think of is keeping a phone in a pocket or bag while listening to music, which doesn't seem worth it all.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

#113
A lot of commenters have said what's needed to be said about potential fragmentation in the market, the annoying example of the office 'hey, got any more of those apple dongles for [video,USB to ethernet, you name it]' issues that any Corp IT department will moan about.

But here's my minor nitpick. USB-C is loosey-goosey. I slightly tickle the cable and it falls out. 3.5mm has a snap to it. But also the 3.5mm is a lot smaller on my 5X than the USB-C.

I have to admit I'm a bit skeptical of the technical merits, and the analogies to floppy disks drives going obsolete. The analogies don't seem to apply.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

#114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to say just this, but you captured every though I had, and better. USB-C finally has the chance to be the universal adapter for "phone sized" devices (there will probably have to be a micro-USB C for things that are tinier) - and if Apple really wanted to show courage/leadership, they would replace their lightning ports with a standard that every device in the world is moving to. I'd have no problem with…

I do - you now can't charge your phone and listen to music at the same time, unless you have some weird Y-splitter-type cable. Can we have two usb-c ports on phones?

> you now can't charge your phone and listen to music at the same time, unless you have some weird Y-splitter-type cable

Rather than have a splitter cable, couldn't you have an additional USB-C port on the headphones which could be used to power the smartphone indirectly?

If that's not possible I reckon some manufacturers will start putting small batteries in USB-C headphones.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

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post #81

Folks buy new headphones for their phone all the time. Just get the right one. Headphones with wires fail all the time, so wireless is arguable better for most folks most of the time. The arguments about sound failures are cherry-picked to ignore that. Also phones are compromised by every hole in the case (water, dirt, static etc). So now there will be fewer catastrophic failures. And now you can walk with your phone…

> And now you can walk with your phone in your pants pocket or purse (or anywhere), without a wire dangling! Citation needed. Have you actually used Bluetooth headsets? Unless the phone has unimpeded LOS to the headset, expect the sound to drop samples, or introduce static, or otherwise be shitty and horrible. Have your phone in a pocket on the other side of your body from where your headphones' antenna is? Enjoy shi…

This is FUD. I have a pair of jabra revo Bluetooth headphones and absolutely never experience any of the problems you raise here.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

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post #77

I don't understand this push to get rid of the analogue headphone jack. It's a solution in search of a problem--like removing physical buttons from the Kindle...the alternative (touch screen page turns) is more high-tech, but not as pleasant. I'm sure audophiles would appreciate a digital interface for their headphones, but everyone else is perfectly content to use cheap $5 earbuds for their highly compressed audio f…

It's not the age of the tech, it's the amount of space it takes up. Getting rid of the 3.5mm jack gives them 3 or so square cm on a preciously tiny motherboard. They can use this space for more battery or components on the mobo. One less port also means one less place water can get in.

These are things Apple pursues relentlessly.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

#117

Four opinions, going off of this article and partly in response to Gruber's[0]: 1. There was a functional reason that CDs and floppies went out of style: low capacity and the Internet. What’s the functional reason to get rid of analog headphones? It’s not quality – analog headphones have excellent sound quality, and 99% of people won’t be able to tell the difference with ‘digital’ sound, right? 2. So what happens if…

"So what happens if I want to charge my phone (e.g. from an external battery) and listen to headphones at the same time? Do I have to use some sort of ... dongle? That’s going to get silly."

What happens if you want to charge your new 12" macbook and you also need to use your cellular dongle ? They've shown total contempt for even this common, necessary use-case - why would they not show the same contempt for your use-case ?

"Admittedly, analog headphone jacks will go away at some point"

There is no reason to assume that. Only a childish contempt for "old things" and a desire to fix things that aren't broken would lead to that outcome.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

#118

I'd be completely comfortable for replacing it with USB-C. You already have the port, it's an industry standard, it's de facto open to use for anyone. It's smaller, both in terms of thickness (which I don't care much about by now, but I'll grant it's a thing), as well as volume. What concerns me is that the most popular phone and probably listening device in the world, will move towards a proprietary sound system, fr…

The iPhone is definitely not the most popular phone in the world. Its market share is about 15%.

Which phone has more? Smartphone only, I think is fair to say in this context. I'm not talking about iOS or e.g. an umbrella brand of tens of different phones, but a specific device.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

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post #5

John Gruber's response ( http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/headphone_jacks_are_the_ne... ): > Should the analog headphone jack remain on our devices forever? If you think so, you can stop reading. What's the advantage to removing the headphone jack? Is the jack some sort of bottleneck to sound quality that nobody noticed until now? I really don't see a benefit in removing the headphone jack, now or anytime in the for…

> John Gruber's response

Does this guy ever write critically about Apple? I've come across his pieces over the years, and he honestly always comes across like a zealous ideologue.

Re: Taking the headphone jack off phones is user-hostile and stupid

#120
post #2

I've been needing to replace my phone for a while, and been holding out for an iphone 7. If it doesn't have a headphone socket I will just get something else.

Ditto. I've been using Android since my iPhone 4s shattered, and was thinking about moving back to iOS - if they remove the headphone jack there's no way that's happening.
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