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Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by rahimnathwani »

jonknee wrote: post #116
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #105

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They are both subsidized, clearly - but since it takes 8lbs / 3.6kg of grain to produce 1lb / 0.45kg of beef [1], and the livestock then receive additional subsidies [2], the effect is magnified. 1: https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?artic... 2: https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=live...

If it takes more agriculture product to produce meat, the plain plant version should then be cheaper.

Only if you assume that the only costs/inputs are the grain. There maybe other manufacturing costs, which do not receive any subsidy.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by a_imho »

shaunxcode wrote: post #337
personjerry wrote: post #125

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7g is much more than 0g, especially for a keto diet (as an extreme example)

Just to be clear 4g of that are fiber making it 3g net carbs (in keto terms).

Also, sugar is listed in the ingredients list, while the nutrition facts list it at 0 (might be rounding?)

GMO or not, even the wikipage of carrageenan (e407) says:

"Some animal studies indicate tumor promotion or initiation by carrageenan.[22][23][24][25] In an industry-funded study, Cohen & Ito discuss methodological problems with four such studies, along with several evaluations of genotoxic activity, and state that there is no credible evidence that carrageenan contributes to tumor promotion or colon cancer."

Which might be FUD but better safe than sorry.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

BigJono wrote: post #335
snuxoll wrote: post #123

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Not a vegetarian or vegan, nor will I ever be in all likelihood - but I have been trying to curb the amount of meat I eat purely due to the environmental impact it has. I have a box of beef burger patties in the freezer that never gets touched outside of family gatherings, when I decide I want a burger I grab my bag of Morningstar Spicy Black Bean patties and toss one on the frying pan. I've also gotten really good a…

Can you elaborate on the environmental impact? I've heard so many vegans say this but I've never seen a proper explanation of it. How can eating meat have a negative environmental impact when humans are natural omnivores? It seems to me like people are confusing eating meat with our modern agricultural processes. And if that's the case then the solution should be to improve said processes, not to stop eating meat.

Things like vats of liquified cow feces stored underground, which are later sprayed on (organic!) crops - these have a much larger impact than a few cows producing their feces, which is later composted. Cows produce methane, as do chickens.

The thing is - how is the average person going to improve the processes? People can eat less meat and urge the governments in different areas to force better farming practices through regulation, financial support for upgrades, investment in technology (for example, something that composts manure and spreads it better than the liquid manure we keep in vats or somehow breeding cows that produce less methane), and other such things.

Some countries will be able to pull this off. Others... well, will fail. And some of those are either major contributors or consumers.

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Post by puranjay »

wavefunction wrote: post #35
ergothus wrote: post #26

I've been a vegetarian for the last decade and change, and I simultaneously think that finding a cheaper, appealing alternative to meat is both a fantastic opportunity for the world and a really difficult thing. I used to love meat when I was a meat-eater, and I'm a fairly picky eater that dislikes many vegetable options. (Green peppers are nasty and food-destroying in my opinion, which immediately removes over half…

When I visit India and eat vegetarian food properly prepared by a culture that has refined vegetarian cuisine beyond "fake meat", I don't miss meat at all. Much of Western food is only expected to be an accompaniment to a meat dish, which is why you can't just cut meat out and eat the vegetable dishes you're used to when you're eating meat as well, imnsho.

My girlfriend is a vegetarian so I often end up eating vegetarian food when we go out.

Agreed with your assertion. Here in India, vegetarian food is often as good, if not better than meat.

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Post by pappyo »

douche wrote: post #289
pappyo wrote: post #268

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Ho! A learning opportunity. I know you're a vegetarian, but maybe this might interest you...or someone. The chuck sub-primal cut is the shoulder of the cow. As you can imagine, the shoulder gets a lot of use while the cow is alive, so there is a lot of connective tissue which makes the cut tough (fwiw the muscles that are rarely used are the most tender to eat) However, a cow being a cow and not a horse, there is a g…

A properly cooked seven bone chuck steak is a taste to behold, though. Far and away my favorite cut, with all of the marbling, on the grill. Obviously, not for you if you like your steak more than medium rare, though, since cooking it all the way through tends to make it tougher than hell.

I haven't had the opportunity to have a seven bone chuck steak. I'll have to give it a try. Thanks!

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Post by nommm-nommm »

ethanbond wrote: post #202
collyw wrote: post #114

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Sure, but I am asking if thee is anything specific about carbohydrates that should be avoided (unprocessed or otherwise). Lots of people replying, no one answering my question.

No, just like there is nothing wrong with lead in safe amounts. It's a tautology and you're trying to remove your question from the context of the reality in which the statement was made.

Absolutely not! There is no safe amount of lead!

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Post by forlulz »

mikekchar wrote: post #292
pyre wrote: post #145

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> My Japanese friends tell me there's no point in me trying to eat there. The only option that doesn't involve seafood is "monk training food", which is...not intended to be tasty. I'm vegan an eat Japanese food all of the time. It really just depends on the restaurant. Examples: - Tempura batter can be vegan if they don't add eggs to it. Some restaurants do, and some don't. - Sushi rice is basically sugar, salt and…

Eating vegetarian in Japan is hard. I gave up eating vegetarian in restaurants pretty soon after I arrived here (and gave up eating vegetarian at all after I got married ;-) ). A couple of comments: - In Japan, I have never heard of anyone one using eggs in tempura batter. You can be almost 100% sure that it's OK. So vegetable tempura is a good bet. Probably the most safe is cold soba noodles with tempura. - Vegetabl…

There are generally 2 reasons to avoid garlic and onions - 1) they are considered 'stimulating' (eg: Krishna) and/or more likely: 2) onions and garlic are bulbs - if you uproot them you effectively kill the plant whereas other vegetables you harvest their fruits/leaves/etc and the plant lives on.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by hahamrfunnyguy »

lambda wrote: post #233
bradbeattie wrote: post #68

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I'm in the same camp as you. Vegetarian since 1989, vegan since 1999. I can certainly say that the quality of fake meats has drastically improved in the past 10 years (see https://gardein.com/ , http://fieldroast.com/ , and http://beyondmeat.com/ as examples), but the stigma surrounding them persists. Short anecdote: There's a donut shop in my town that sold vegan and regular donuts in adjacent but separate displays.…

Yeah, I've worked next to a lunch place that describes itself as "plant inspired" rather than "vegan." It turns out that everything they serve is vegan, and they'll confirm it if you ask, but by taking the word "vegan" out of anything public-facing, it's a lot easier to get people to be interested in eating there. I personally eat a low-meat diet (no more than 3 servings of meat a week), but don't generally feel the…

I am similar. I eat a 60-70% plant-based diet, but am also a fan of burgers and the occasional steak. I am really not that interested in an artificially created burger or steak. It is just not appetizing. If I am having something vegetarian, I prefer any of the excellent options you can prepare in your kitchen.

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Post by imtringued »

a_imho wrote: post #392
shaunxcode wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear 4g of that are fiber making it 3g net carbs (in keto terms).

Also, sugar is listed in the ingredients list, while the nutrition facts list it at 0 (might be rounding?) GMO or not, even the wikipage of carrageenan (e407) says: "Some animal studies indicate tumor promotion or initiation by carrageenan.[22][23][24][25] In an industry-funded study, Cohen & Ito discuss methodological problems with four such studies, along with several evaluations of genotoxic activity, and state th…

Carrageenan by itself isn't dangerous. It becomes dangerous if you heat it.
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