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Post by nisa »

Canutesun wrote: post #301
djsumdog wrote: post #287

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Crimes. Yes. But payday loan companies and credit cards that charge 29% interest plus hundreds of dollars in feeds to "help people with poor credit" are fine. Supporting US government entities in defense that kill tons of innocent people every day; that's fine too. Self regulating? Man that works so well, especially in 2008. We're going to let you keep doing that too. Weed stores in states where it's legal? Hi it's t…

Regulation has done a great job in several industries of concentrating the industries into a few major players, because it is incredibly difficult to comply for new/small companies. Banking and finance is one, telecom is another.

[citation needed]

Lobbying from these industries players for bad regulation might have helped but regulation is usally nothing bad. I'm happy in EU knowing that most stuff I can buy is at least to some degree vetted for killing me.

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Post by cakeface »

raimue wrote: post #70
MichaelBurge wrote: post #11

File sharing services are listed as requiring pre-approval, so Seafile should've sent them an email before accepting it as payment: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full They're well within their rights to decline your business. If a bank told the government, "We have no absolutely no idea what our customers are doing with their money or who they're sending it to. Maybe they're sending it to ter…

Would you say DropBox is a file sharing service? Is every site that offers downloads a file sharing service? I would interpret this restriction for services similar to RapidShare, MegaUpload, etc. with the only intention of sharing files. Seafile is primarily for hosting your personal data.

1. Create an account 2. send the login info to all your friends 3. Upload whatever files you want to share. Now you all have access to download or upload. Its semi private because the files never leave the account.

Similar to when people use an email account and only ever save drafts. Two people have the login info, connect to the account and write draft emails but never send them. I think I saw that in a tv show, not sure if it's a real thing.

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Post by etherael »

Draiken wrote: post #290
794CD01 wrote: post #284

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As you don't know whether Discover or Amex is bigger? Why does that matter? And Paypal is not a credit card. You can link it directly to your bank account and pay with it as the transaction processor. That's a big part of why it's so popular. Might as well complain about bitcoins.

Sorry I don't understand the point of your answer. I've mentioned multiple times "financial institutions", which include banks and paypal in my book. Bitcoins are amazing. Just not there yet. I can't give a credit card of bitcoins for my wife to buy groceries :) But that's off-topic. You clearly just want to disagree and that's fine, but please bring arguments instead of weird accusations of bitcoin hatred

> Bitcoins are amazing. Just not there yet. I can't give a credit card of bitcoins for my wife to buy groceries :)

Yes you can. There are actually even multiple providers for just such a card.

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Post by figgis »

niij wrote: post #269
reitanqild wrote: post #230

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I guess as long as Public Key Encryption works, something like this should be theoretically possible?

Can you explain how Public Key Encryption would be related? I was thinking more in terms of a torrent client corrupting a predictable last bit of each saved file (which could cause tons serious corruption issues in itself for non-media files). This appears to only be feasible if each user had their own private key that could be used to compute where the corrupted bit is added to media files.

If you are using a torrent application, it is safe to say that either you or your actual torrent application can connect to the internet and create a key... If you chose to opt out than that is fine, if you choose to opt in you get what was discussed previously.

Not sure why you would go the route of having it predictable?

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Post by brokenmachine »

cakeface wrote: post #312
raimue wrote: post #70

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Would you say DropBox is a file sharing service? Is every site that offers downloads a file sharing service? I would interpret this restriction for services similar to RapidShare, MegaUpload, etc. with the only intention of sharing files. Seafile is primarily for hosting your personal data.

1. Create an account 2. send the login info to all your friends 3. Upload whatever files you want to share. Now you all have access to download or upload. Its semi private because the files never leave the account. Similar to when people use an email account and only ever save drafts. Two people have the login info, connect to the account and write draft emails but never send them. I think I saw that in a tv show, no…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petraeus_scandal

"They would share an email account, with one saving a message in the drafts folder and the other deleting it after reading it."

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Post by stickfigure »

WA wrote: post #131
benevol wrote: post #117

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Having read during the last few years about the endless horror stories businesses have endured with PayPal, I honestly don't understand why anyone would still use PayPal when there clearly are alternatives (be that US companies like Stripe or EU companies like Paymill).

Because they're still anecdotal and for most people, PayPal works just fine. I find the stories horrifying, but I ran about 40,000 transactions through PayPal in the last 5-6 years and never had any problems. I guess this is how it is for most people, at least, I can use PayPal as a buyer on most online businesses I deal with.

We run thousands of PayPal transactions per day. I've been keeping a record of the horrifying failures we've experienced in anticipation of someday writing a scathing blog entry. We sometimes see lost transactions - as in, call the 'execute' endpoint, get a 500, then all future attempts to fetch information for the payment fail. And no webhook. File a ticket, wait two weeks, then someone at PayPal acknowledges the problem and says it's fixed.

Forget all the policy problems. PayPal's basic technology platform doesn't work.

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Post by vsl »

gabhubert wrote: post #281
lucaspiller wrote: post #217

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I think it varies by country. Also Stripe isn't available in nearly as many markets as PayPal, two big ones that immediately pop out are Estonia and Hong Kong. Another thing to bear in mind is lots of people outside the "main Western" countries (for lack of a better term) still don't have credit or debit cards that can be used to pay online. PayPal accepts a lot of local payment methods and even lets you transfer fun…

fwiw, HK is in private beta: https://stripe.com/global

The rest of the world (including a significant portion of EU) still isn't, though. You can sell from basically anywhere with PayPal or FastSpring, not so with Stripe.

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Post by derFunk »

AFAIK PayPal only do this if they have internal proof that laws are already being broken on the according websites. I don't know Seafile, but the same happened to other file hosters in the past which silently and willingly accepted that copyrighted material is exchanged by using their services.

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Post by zyx321 »

dopamean wrote: post #224
zyx321 wrote: post #92

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For most of their existence, PayPal have been living the "shady questionably-legal startup" dream, operating in a heavily regulated industry while ignoring almost all of the regulations. They've been screwing over their customers, closing accounts on allegation of fraud and dragging out refunding the alleged victims for months and months, since before they were acquired by eBay. People still use their service. It's a…

> For most of their existence, PayPal have been living the "shady questionably-legal startup" dream, operating in a heavily regulated industry while ignoring almost all of the regulations. I'm not saying you're wrong (because I actually don't know) but this seems to be way off base. What specific regulations are they ignoring? My understanding is that most of the things people gripe about with PayPal are borne out of…

I suppose it depends on whether you think of PayPal as a payment processing company that just so happens to prefer keeping your money on their internal accounts indefinitely rather than paying out ASAP like most competitors, or as a pseudo-bank in denial about their bankiness.

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Post by dredmorbius »

Canutesun wrote: post #301
djsumdog wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crimes. Yes. But payday loan companies and credit cards that charge 29% interest plus hundreds of dollars in feeds to "help people with poor credit" are fine. Supporting US government entities in defense that kill tons of innocent people every day; that's fine too. Self regulating? Man that works so well, especially in 2008. We're going to let you keep doing that too. Weed stores in states where it's legal? Hi it's t…

Regulation has done a great job in several industries of concentrating the industries into a few major players, because it is incredibly difficult to comply for new/small companies. Banking and finance is one, telecom is another.

Telecoms got itself monopolised just fine before regulations came along. AT&T sealed in the concept of operating as a regulated monopoly. But that goes back to 1913.

There are industries which tend naturally toward monopolies, with transport, communications, broadcast, and software among them. There are also industries which tend naturally away from monopolies, such as sandwich shops, cement providers, and laundromats.

(Not that there cannot be some concentration, or even national chains among these. But they're rarely dominant.)

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