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Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by eru »

mark-r wrote: post #282
douche wrote: post #219

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Pork is even cheaper, for some reason. I've been buying boneless pork chops for something like $1 - $1.50 /pound for years from Market Basket stores.

With the surge of popularity of bacon, there are a lot of pigs being brought to market. Any part of the pig that isn't bacon ends up being cheap because supply/demand.

History lesson: lard pigs used to be much more popular to raise than meat pigs. I wonder whether they'll see a comeback.

(After only half a minute of Googling: http://sugarmtnfarm.com/2015/06/11/lard-vs-bacon-pigs/ )

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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mcbits wrote: post #338
mixedCase wrote: post #322

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>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not. Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two friends') over your scientific studies. Fat and protein make me feel full well below my caloric needs for maintaining the same weight; I am hardly ever full with carbs, and even when my stomach feel fulls, my brain keeps wanting me to eat.

I don't understand low-carb/keto diets, outside of treating an actual disease. A person can eat 5-10 lbs. of "wet" (i.e. not grains and starches) fruits and vegetables a day and stay well below 2,000 calories, rounding it off with some fish, nuts, etc. for protein and oils. It's physically difficult to eat 1,000 calories of salad at 100-200 calories/pound. The problem is it also costs about 5 times as much as a class…

> A person can eat 5-10 lbs. of "wet" (i.e. not grains and starches) fruits and vegetables a day and stay well below 2,000 calories

Sure, I can too. And I will stay hungry or get into depression again because I wouldn't be getting enough fat.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by mixedCase »

andrewflnr wrote: post #327
mixedCase wrote: post #322

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>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not. Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two friends') over your scientific studies. Fat and protein make me feel full well below my caloric needs for maintaining the same weight; I am hardly ever full with carbs, and even when my stomach feel fulls, my brain keeps wanting me to eat.

How does this contradict GP? All you've said is "carbs don't help me feel full", which is a far cry from "I must have a ketogenic diet".

As it turns out, if a person doesn't feel full, it usually tends to compensate the feeling by eating.

More than one should.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by mixedCase »

eru wrote: post #356
mixedCase wrote: post #322

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>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not. Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two friends') over your scientific studies. Fat and protein make me feel full well below my caloric needs for maintaining the same weight; I am hardly ever full with carbs, and even when my stomach feel fulls, my brain keeps wanting me to eat.

What you quoted from MustardTiger doesn't contradict what you said..

I'm implying that non-low carb diets aren't as effective in my experience as they make me feel hungrier, thus making me want to always eat more than I should to lose weight.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by Tiksi »

bunderbunder wrote: post #306
radlad wrote: post #95

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Great points. There is a restaurant in my city that serves exclusively vegan food, from lunch and dinner entrees to bakery sweets. It's actually one of my favorite restaurants (despite not being vegan) but it's very difficult to convince my non-vegetarian/non-vegan friends to go try it with me.

There seems to be a weird mental block for a lot of people. I've seen non-vegetarians be genuinely surprised to be informed that peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are vegan.

As someone with a mental hesitation (not quite a block) on food advertised as vegan, my reasoning is due to the type of food I'd expect. If it's advertised as vegan, I'm expecting food that would otherwise not be vegan that has been compromised to make the vegan version. If it's not advertised as vegan, I'm expecting food that just happens to be vegan, but is not the intended goal of the food. It's good food compared to all food vs good only compared to vegan food.

Take veggie burger patties. I've had some that were not made to resemble meat, but were just vegan ingredients in patty form, that are on par with some of the best meat burgers I've had. I've never had a veggie patty that was supposed to taste like meat that I could finish a bite of.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by joshfraser »

I'm a content carnivore but have no problem enjoying vegetarian meals on a regular basis. I don't understand the market for fake meat. Give me a salad or give me a proper steak, but you can keep your slimy tofu substitute. Garden Fresh in Palo Alto, I'm looking at you.

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by eru »

mixedCase wrote: post #364
eru wrote: post #356

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What you quoted from MustardTiger doesn't contradict what you said..

I'm implying that non-low carb diets aren't as effective in my experience as they make me feel hungrier, thus making me want to always eat more than I should to lose weight.

Sure. But what you quoted was a statement that the effect of low-carb didn't depend on ketosis. Which is a very different statement---though I don't know if it's true.

(I am very sympathetic to low-carb eating, and am trying a ketogenic diet right now.)

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by eru »

wil421 wrote: post #92
wavefunction wrote: post #35

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When I visit India and eat vegetarian food properly prepared by a culture that has refined vegetarian cuisine beyond "fake meat", I don't miss meat at all. Much of Western food is only expected to be an accompaniment to a meat dish, which is why you can't just cut meat out and eat the vegetable dishes you're used to when you're eating meat as well, imnsho.

Not a vegetarian but I do go out with many Indian colleagues who are vegetarian and have family members or friends who dont eat meat. I do agree with the assumption that western vegetarians tend to want meat replacements. The biggest difference for me was seeing how a lot of Indian cuisine is actually unhealthy. Most everything is fried in oil or has so much clarified butter its unhealthy. The Indian diet (at least t…

Why is oil and butter unhealthy?

(Indians seem to have a crazy sweet tooth, as far as I can tell. I like desserts, but Indian ones are usually way too much for me.)

Re: Bloody Plant Burger Smells, Tastes and Sizzles Like Meat

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Post by vacri »

snuxoll wrote: post #135
wdewind wrote: post #112

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You're talking mostly about the aesthetic part of fake meat, but there is another huge advantage over existing products which is health/environmental. Current vegan/vegetarian incarnations of fake meat (Boca, Morningstar etc.) are typically actually not that healthy in terms of protein/amino acid content and sort of end up being eating a cake made of grains. The ability to create, cheaply, a high protein, high calori…

> Current vegan/vegetarian incarnations of fake meat (Boca, Morningstar etc.) are typically actually not that healthy in terms of protein/amino acid content and sort of end up being eating a cake made of grains. This is why I've stopped trying to find a meat substitute , they all fail in some way or another (they either don't taste right, don't have the right texture, or are far worse nutritionally than what they try…

This was how I managed to find carob edible. I used to think "this is a chocolate substitute" when eating it, and it was awful and never measured up. But when you eat it on it's own merits and aren't "comparison-tasting", it's tolerable.
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