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Re: The RC2014 Retro Computer

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Let me self-promote my bitbox arm32 home-brewed console since it's somewhat on topic although less retro minded ( https://github.com/makapuf/bitbox/wiki ) edit : added link

That's a nice project. Ever think about adding an HDMI output? :)

Thanks. Thinking, yes doing ...not yet. I like one-chip designs and generating hdmi data by software can be .. challenging (besides HDMI has many patents).

Re: The RC2014 Retro Computer

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I'm just asking, why take that approach vs just building a Z80-based system to run CP/M?

OS-9 is a dramatically more capable OS than CP/M, in that it's a fully multitasking RTOS.

6809/6309 is an awesome processor. But Z80s and 6502s are still being made. And 20mhz range clock speeds. A 6809 or 6309 tops out at under 5mhz and you'll be getting your old chips off ebay, etc.

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It's actually pretty surprising how much you can achieve with these 8 bit processors. My favourite example of pushing the 8 bit Arduino processor to the limit is this - 3D rendering at 320x240 x 16 bit: http://hackaday.com/2016/01/02/better-3d-graphics-on-the-ard...

That demo is rather impressive, but the AVR in an Arduino is much faster than a Z80. This machine is running at ~7.37MHz (which is fast compared to old Z80 based personal computers) whereas the Arduino typically runs at 16Mhz. Further, an instruction takes a minimum of 4 cycles on the Z80 and many take longer whereas most AVR instructions take only a single cycle.

I just went looking at different Z80s and it seems as if there was at least one Z80 made to support a fairly high clock frequency.

The highest I've found that I can order is clocked at 20MHz [0]

[0] - http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=Z84C0020VEG&v...

Re: The RC2014 Retro Computer

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It is fun: but I like this kind Bonzai tree thing which is not pactical but a relaxing but challenging experience. And it feel really nice to actually really understand everything for a change.

Any suggestions for something like that? I would love that feel too :-)

I grew up in the 80s with 8 bit computers and started collecting them in the 90s-2000s (when you could pick them up for free as long as you picked them up); I started repairing and extending them picking up video cards and old mobo's from dumps and 2nd hand markets. You can still buy boxes with mobo's from they are collectible and much appreciated in others or my museum.

That said, it is a good start... If you can find a cheap one, find the schematic online and start checking out the components and measuring the signals. I am lucky to have many systems that have 74series logic + memory + cpu in them which is really easy to follow for any programmer. Most machines from that era won't have that unfortunately.

If you cannot or will not risk that then simply buy a power supply, some packs of analog electronics, digi scope (few $100 one is enough), a box (2nd hand you can get them cheap) of different 74series, breadboard and a computer kit like [0] or [1] or [2] and start experimenting.

[0] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zilog-Z80-Colecovision-Kit-8MHz-Z80-...

[1] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zilog-Z80-ZX-Spectrum-Homebrew-IC-Ki...

[2] http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mixed-Kit-6502-or-63C09-or-Z80-CPU-S...

Re: The RC2014 Retro Computer

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My home-brew 68K machine just recently reached the same level of completeness except for the particular BASIC implementation (Tiny vs. Microsoft). Guess I should get it written up as a blog post or three.

Please do!

I've started putting something together, but in case I never finish, I've at least tossed the schematics, gerbers, and CPLD source code up on the web, if you're really interested:

  http://coderjames.bitbucket.org
Next I have to figure out how to properly make public the BitBucket repo holding the source code for programs that run on the system.

Re: The RC2014 Retro Computer

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Please do!

I've started putting something together, but in case I never finish, I've at least tossed the schematics, gerbers, and CPLD source code up on the web, if you're really interested: http://coderjames.bitbucket.org Next I have to figure out how to properly make public the BitBucket repo holding the source code for programs that run on the system.

Very cool!
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