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How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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"In the process, it has earned the ire of longtime residents and homeless advocates, who say their desires, suggestions and dreams for the neighborhood—until recently 80 percent African-American—are seldom consulted and rarely implemented."

Yup. "Urban renewal means Negro removal", as James Baldwin once said.

Silicon Valley did this in Whiskey Gulch, the small piece of East Palo Alto that's west of 101. East Palo Alto was Silicon Valley's one black city. In the 1980s, Whiskey Gulch was mostly liquor stores and bars, hence the name. When I lived a few blocks away in Menlo Park, I'd hear automatic weapons fire from there most weekends. (This was the era of the MAC-11 machine pistol, "the gun that made the 80's roar".) It's the only place I've ever seen a fully armored fried chicken outlet; you got your chicken through a turntable in the armor glass.

That problem was solved in 1997 by leveling the entire area and building a Four Seasons hotel and an office building full of lawyers.[1] Amazon AWS recently moved in there. No more black people, and no more gunfire.

[1] http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/cover/1997_Mar_5...

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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post #21

"In the process, it has earned the ire of longtime residents and homeless advocates, who say their desires, suggestions and dreams for the neighborhood—until recently 80 percent African-American—are seldom consulted and rarely implemented." Yup. "Urban renewal means Negro removal", as James Baldwin once said. Silicon Valley did this in Whiskey Gulch, the small piece of East Palo Alto that's west of 101. East Palo Alt…

Just playing devils advocate here: do you think the solution would have been different if it had been white people shooting each other?

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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post #21

"In the process, it has earned the ire of longtime residents and homeless advocates, who say their desires, suggestions and dreams for the neighborhood—until recently 80 percent African-American—are seldom consulted and rarely implemented." Yup. "Urban renewal means Negro removal", as James Baldwin once said. Silicon Valley did this in Whiskey Gulch, the small piece of East Palo Alto that's west of 101. East Palo Alt…

it isn't just removing blacks, its removing anyone not wealthy enough to afford to stay. row housing in Chicago went this way as older units got bought up, modernized and it felt like it went one block after another. Taxes went up and if you didn't sell for the good sums offered those taxes usually ate into your limited income. The gated community mentality started in cities and while it went out into the wild it never really left.

to not take action eventually results in situations like what they fixed here. decades of indifference on the part of the politicians of the city including those representing the district is what put the residents into these positions. Take it this way, the city government and perhaps even the state all had ample opportunity to fix the situation and failed. The bureaucracy of the city likely doomed all effort and far too often activist simply cause an existing situation to persist.

the take away is, people should be demanding city governments do something before areas become so bad that draconian measures are all that is left.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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I grew up in Cincinnati and grew up with current staff members of both 3CDC and other active development groups in OtR. They have had good goals, overall, with active talk about in-fill development that at least gives lip service to gentrification concerns. However, they have also had decidedly non-diverse staffs, have held lots of non-public meetings even when the public was clamoring for meetings, and arguably just…

Went through the Brandery, lived in OTR for a year and a half. Ended up falling in love with that neighborhood. Truly a special place. The tech community there far exceeds expectations for a city it's size as well.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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I am from and live in Cincinnati. As some others have stated, this article greatly overstates the changes that's occurred in OTR. Yes, parts of Vine and Race street have been cleaned up a great deal, but go just a street over, or even a little further on said streets and you are right back in an area that is anything but the "good" part of town. It's not at all uncommon to go into these areas and see sights such as d…

A street over would be Walnut or Main streets, which now have a packed barcade, and a pretty solid empanada place, etc. The change even in the last two years is extremely positive, and I would have to disagree that the article greatly overstates it.

That said, past Liberty or Main certainly has some unsavory characters, but for the most part they're only dangerous to each other. I lived in that area recently and go back frequently. I never felt unsafe in the area that's experienced significant development, even late at night.

I think a lot of people who formed their opinion of OTR back in the race riots would do well to revisit and go in with an open mind. It's quite a wonderful place now

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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Grew up in the west end and went to elementary school there before the school moved to some countryside and still lived there until highschool before parents split… it was bad, but when I was younger it never seemed that bad as people make it out to be.

I rather gunshots, prostitution, having to stay in after hours sometimes or not being able to go home a couple of nights because some guy is barricaded in some abandon house across the street and the swat team is there than metadata drone strikes… some people don't get a choice where they live, or die… and in twenty years or so when this area becomes a slum, at least the buildings will be newer, up to code or w/e trendy bullshit people are selling these days :P

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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> No more black people, and no more gunfire.

Hey! I think you're on to something here! If we get rid of a race that predominately commits a crime then that crime's rate will decrease.

Now seeing that most white-collar crime is committed by white people, most school shooters are white people, and most serial killers are white people, we could cleanse our cities of these crimes if we cleansed our cities of white people.

You don't support embezzlement, school shootings, and serial killers, do you?

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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I'm from Cincinnati and have lived here my entire life. Much of the area formerly referred to as OTR remains unsafe after dark. In addition to the gentrification, they've also successfully rebranded "OTR" to just be considered to be the 2 streets (Race and Vine between Central and Liberty if you're looking at a map) that are revamped. The remainder of what used to be called OTR is still derelict buildings, soup kitch…

I thought that the gentrification happened in the mid-90s. What happened? Not enough new residents? Things set back by riots?

In the mid-90s it was a place for upper middle class kids to go party. The riots wiped that out.

In the late-00s it became a place for upper middle class kids to live. Largely do to the efforts of 3CDC. Lot of money being spent to renovate those older buildings.

Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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> No more black people, and no more gunfire. Hey! I think you're on to something here! If we get rid of a race that predominately commits a crime then that crime's rate will decrease. Now seeing that most white-collar crime is committed by white people, most school shooters are white people, and most serial killers are white people, we could cleanse our cities of these crimes if we cleansed our cities of white people…

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Re: How Cincinnati Salvaged the Nation’s Most Dangerous Neighborhood

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> No more black people, and no more gunfire. Hey! I think you're on to something here! If we get rid of a race that predominately commits a crime then that crime's rate will decrease. Now seeing that most white-collar crime is committed by white people, most school shooters are white people, and most serial killers are white people, we could cleanse our cities of these crimes if we cleansed our cities of white people…

Animats' comment was provocative but within the range of substantive conversation. It contained specific information and wasn't purely ideological.

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