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Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Post by aries1980 » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #52

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #41

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I agree entirely. Drone swarms are the future. And a lot of the existing thinking about solving communications blockage is backwards, swarms in the future will be self reliant, only receiving "big picture" orders from command and allowed to carry those out. The F-35 may be the last major manned aircraft to take to the skies. With drone swarms, it will be outnumbered, and won't have enough munitions aboard to take out…

> swarms in the future will be self reliant I think the biggest issue is the size and power requirements of modern radars. You can't make tiny drones if none of them has a radar, so you need at least some of them to be big. If it's big and has a power hungry radar, then it also needs a big powerplant. The big powerplant drinks a lot of fuel to get any range etc. etc. If a small craft could be self reliant, then we wo…

> I also doubt they will ever make a "joint" effort again.

Well, there is such an amount of money. F-35 is not the first jack-of-all-trades fighter. Remember to F-104.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Post by Marazan » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 6:35 PM UTC

icelancer wrote: post #54

Marazan wrote: post #20

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Right at the start the F35 programme looked like the sensible choice and the F22 was perceived as a ludicrous expensive pointless prestige project. Then the F35 got Christmas treed to death.

Well, the F22 is still fairly pointless, isn't it? The JSF/F35 is a joke, obviously as well.

The F-22 is the best high altitude air superiority fighter in existence. It's ludicrously expensive and it is ludicrously over capable for the actual missions it flies but it did completely achieve it's role specification.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Post by ericcumbee » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 7:24 PM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #52

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree entirely. Drone swarms are the future. And a lot of the existing thinking about solving communications blockage is backwards, swarms in the future will be self reliant, only receiving "big picture" orders from command and allowed to carry those out. The F-35 may be the last major manned aircraft to take to the skies. With drone swarms, it will be outnumbered, and won't have enough munitions aboard to take out…

> swarms in the future will be self reliant I think the biggest issue is the size and power requirements of modern radars. You can't make tiny drones if none of them has a radar, so you need at least some of them to be big. If it's big and has a power hungry radar, then it also needs a big powerplant. The big powerplant drinks a lot of fuel to get any range etc. etc. If a small craft could be self reliant, then we wo…

odds on the A-10 and B-52 still being in service when the F-35 is EOL? I'd say better than not.

Re: F-35 Delays Mean US Marines Are Pulling Old F-18s Out of Desert Storage

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Post by tomjen3 » Tue, Jun 21, 2016, 8:22 PM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #9

tomjen3 wrote: post #6

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Right, but the better planes are needed for deterrent.

If the money was used instead in financial vehicles for the adversarial countries in question, the created economic codependence would very likely be more effective than this plane

Money didn't stop WWI. Britain could not afford the completely batshit insane 3.251.000.000 (thats more than 3 billion) Pound Sterling it paid for the war (in 1900s money)[0]! and there are still bondholders who haven't been paid back, 100 years later.

[0]:http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/zqhxvcw#zy4gjxs