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Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

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Google Keep is good for the odd note, list, or whiteboard picture. I'd like to have a CLI version.

Since you'll be in the command line and limited to text, why not just text files? deft for emacs is like Notational Velocity. If you store your notes in dropbox, you've got them in the cloud. There's also org mode, vi, todo.txt, etc. etc. etc. etc....

Exactly, but it could be in Keep (the OP asked what I'd improve). I use a few of the approaches you've suggested as well, which is why I find myself wishing I could do some things from the command line, e.g.:

  keep notes.txt list.yml --remind 'tomorrow morning'
  keep graphviz.png -m 'links #ok'
  keep -n 20 -f > notifications.txt
and so on.

Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

#54
I've also been working on a notes solution. I've found Evernote's pestering to be very annoying. Apple's notes are fine, but I'd like to use my own editor sometimes. Quip is more complex than what I'm looking for.

Turns out there are a lot of notes apps/systems, and I've been wondering if working on this is a good use of my time.

Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

#55

I used to use OneNote a lot (partly because my high school used it a lot). It was alright, but the free version on the Windows Store is horrible and I don't have enough use for it to pay for the full version. I've tried using the notes app on my iPhone but it's just not quick enough to write things down in - although that might be because I have a 5s with a smaller screen than newer phones. I've used it when I have b…

MediaWiki.{exe|app} exactly! That's what I'm trying to build, and this is the best description I've heard so far :) Related question: would you prefer this to be local or on the cloud? I am oriented towards a cloud service because of cross-platform support and auto sync between devices, but open to suggestions.

I absolutely must have control over my own notes. The primary reason I'm using org-mode + dropbox is that I can replace that system with some other file-sync on my own if dropbox goes away.

Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

#56
My workflow is far from exemplary, and I've often thought about ways to improve it, so good luck with your project. There could be a market there.

I have basically three modes of note-taking: at the computer, in a meeting, and offline. I work remotely, so most of my meetings actually are "at the computer" and on the phone; "in a meeting" means in-person.

At the computer I use a text editor. I don't think it matters which one, as long as it's one you know well. I use TextMate mostly, or Vim as a fallback. When something comes up an actionable task I put it into my personal task tracker, currently Wunderlist but again, that could be anything.

So what happens when I need to draw or diagram something?

I describe, briefly, what I will need to illustrate. Then I go back and illustrate it later if I still think it's worth the trouble.

This works surprisingly well because I learned to touch-type quite young and don't have much of a gap between my mind and the keyboard.

I usually use Markdown (with a bunch of common extensions) so it's easy to include code snippets and simple lists.

In a meeting, where it would be rude to type that much, I keep a pad of paper and a pen, and just write stuff down, occasionally with a diagram. However, these days most drawing-type content from meetings will be photographed and mailed around anyway, so I don't try to copy stuff off of whiteboards. I keep the computer open usually in case something requires immediate action, and I usually type up some notes quickly after the meeting -- but as often as not, somebody else mails out proper minutes so I probably don't need to.

Offline, I'm very old-school: lots of paper, pens, pencils. (I studied art.) A lot of it is just writing on paper -- I think it's important to keep your physical writing skills sharp, because your brain works differently with a pen than at a keyboard.

Some things end up scanned back into the computer, but most of it doesn't. I usually find that if I've got good notes on paper, they'll mostly still be in my brain the next time I'm taking notes at the computer.

I've tried Evernote, OmniOutliner, OmniFocus (!), rich-text, DevonThink, and a few other things, and everything was worse for me than what I use now.

However, I would happily try something else, as long as it has no lock-in. For me, and probably for a lot of other not-so-young hackers, putting my notes into a system that will be hard to extract them from is a show-stopper.

Here's my wish-list, off the top of my head:

* Everything stored in plan-text (Markdown, whatever) except binary assets.

* Binary assets stored together with that.

* Great sync between devices, and everything very secure. (Maybe just use DropBox for that.)

* Really fast, great UX!

* Great search, tags, etc.

* Integrated TODO, calendar, etc.

I think the real opportunity is in providing a great user experience together with some impressive auto-organizing magic. The trick is to resist the temptation of lock-in. And the killer feature might be a smart way to deal with stuff that originates on paper.

Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

#57
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you'll be in the command line and limited to text, why not just text files? deft for emacs is like Notational Velocity. If you store your notes in dropbox, you've got them in the cloud. There's also org mode, vi, todo.txt, etc. etc. etc. etc....

Exactly, but it could be in Keep (the OP asked what I'd improve). I use a few of the approaches you've suggested as well, which is why I find myself wishing I could do some things from the command line, e.g.: keep notes.txt list.yml --remind 'tomorrow morning' keep graphviz.png -m 'links #ok' keep -n 20 -f > notifications.txt and so on.

So what do you find to be the primary advantage of keep over those other options? I can see sharing (my wife and I share lists in keep), images (though that's workable in some solutions with filesystem linking and markdown) and reminders (the big gaping hole in org mode for me, I also do reminders in Keep).

Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

#58
I like to draw stuff around my notes and add some visual clues that allow me to quickly find something and also help with memorisation.

Using just a keyboard is not enough for me. So to me, that's first a hardware problem, then a software problem.

I first tried using a wacom bamboo board with OneNote on a PC (in 2012). That was terrible. The process of settings things up was really cumbersome and navigating throught the note afterward was hyper painful. I also remeber being frustrated by not being able to properly print the whole thing.

I then tried a ipad mini with a set of stylus. Didn't like the feeling and also couldn't find any good software to manage my notes.

More rencently, my girlfriend got me a iSketchnote. It just doens't work. Maybe my unit was faulty, but review were bad so I didn't bother trying to send it back.

I'm considering the iPad pro, but I really hate my iPad mini and really think iOS for tablet is a really frustrating experience...

side note: I would have loved some OCR that generates proper latex... but as a student, I wouldn't have paid much for it. As a quant in a bank. I don't really need it anymore. And I can't really think of anyone who would.

Re: Ask HN: How do you take notes other than using paper?

#59

My ideal notes app would be a rich-text offline hierarchical organizer like CherryTree ( http://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree ) with a mobile version and synchronization thru Dropbox or similar (like KeePass). Cloud solutions are nice, and I've tried several, but it always feels more like a convenience for the provider rather than the consumer.

A hierarchical structure is something I'm very keen on adding. Do you think a tree-like visualization (example: https://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4339083 ) would be useful?

If this is what you need, a mindmapping program like Freemind (or commercial alternative) is worth looking into.

Not to hammer the org mode drum, but you can output org-mode to opml and into Freemind for visualization.

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