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Post by eyko »

thirdsun wrote: post #130
raverbashing wrote: post #24

Paypal only exists because the current infrastructure of payments in the US is a joke Nobody needs paypal in Europe. Of course, they try to sell themselves as "the easiest way" (which is right to a point) but it's mostly unneeded

As a german that's not my experience at all. Credit cards aren't that common here and SEPA transfers are slow as hell and always a minor hassle, that I tend to avoid as long as I can. Without Paypal a lot of european customers wouldn't be able to buy from international vendors.

What about debit cards? I mean, you don't carry cash around all the time do you?

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by mathattack »

Since complying with this demand would violate German / European data protection laws (and also be morally wrong in our opinion) we have declined to comply with this demand.

Is everyone in Germany going to have this issue?

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by heartsucker »

RubyPinch wrote: post #128
mattmanser wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would making seeding it impossible though as you wouldn't be able to verify the chunk is what you claim it is and eventually lead to the whole video being corrupt.

as long as the torrent client knows how to reverse the changes it made to the file (why wouldn't it?) then there won't be any problem. Its just a really really simple form of "encryption", which most torrent clients do support

And then DropBox runs that on every file, so you you have the normal md5 and the torrent-obfuscation-reversed md5. They check both. We have now achieved nothing.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by mathattack »

cm2187 wrote: post #56
josteink wrote: post #3

> PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as all our customers’ files for illegal content. They have also asked us to provide them with detailed statistics about the files types of our customers sync and share on https://app.seafile.de That's a pretty big WTF right there. I know PayPal has a on overall pretty scummy reputation, but I still I cannot imagine PayPal doing this because they themselves th…

Welcome to the world of financial regulations! You may have not realised but banks and any financial institutions have been deputised by the regulators to be the financial police. They need to ensure that none of their client use financial services to commit crimes or launder the proceeds of a crime, under the penalty of heavy (up to multi billions) fines. Particularly in the US. I am pretty sure this is what is forc…

Have they been deputized into service or pressed into mandatory service? My understanding is that the Know Your Client (KYC) laws are mandatory, with multi-billion dollar fines for companies who violate them. (HSBC has gotten into trouble with this recently)

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Post by speeder »

chinathrow wrote: post #123
Draiken wrote: post #118

I'm once again astonished with how much control of our businesses is simply out of our hands. When looking at practices these financial institutions use it makes me wonder what can't they do? Everyone cites "regulations", but as far as I understand, they make the regulations. Directly or indirectly. Take for example the known cases where PayPal freezes accounts holding people's money. If I take someone else's money a…

Essentially, it goes way further than what these financial institutions can do. It goes directly to what the U.S. fed can do - the clearing house for the USD. It can cut off any bank for misconduct/doing business with e.g. Cuba etc.

Also, the UN bank can threaten to kick out your central/federal bank too.

Also an interesting example of bank politics is that Khadaffi made several laws in Libya against UN bank rules, for example providing loans with infinite term and zero interest for newlyweds. During the civil war, one of the first things the rebels did was create a central bank in Misrata, pledge loyalty to UN and then redquest to be recognized as the true Libyan Government.

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Post by alsetmusic »

josteink wrote: post #3

> PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as all our customers’ files for illegal content. They have also asked us to provide them with detailed statistics about the files types of our customers sync and share on https://app.seafile.de That's a pretty big WTF right there. I know PayPal has a on overall pretty scummy reputation, but I still I cannot imagine PayPal doing this because they themselves th…

There was a sherif (or other law enforcement type) who tried to intimidate credit card processors for supporting online sex trade via Backpage last year. A judge stepped in and said he was overreaching (Backpage has content that is legal as well). First link from a Google search:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/1...

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by wallmani »

RubyPinch wrote: post #128
mattmanser wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would making seeding it impossible though as you wouldn't be able to verify the chunk is what you claim it is and eventually lead to the whole video being corrupt.

as long as the torrent client knows how to reverse the changes it made to the file (why wouldn't it?) then there won't be any problem. Its just a really really simple form of "encryption", which most torrent clients do support

If it's reversible like that it is still possible for PayPal and others to implement it too.

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Post by Morgawr »

heartsucker wrote: post #143
RubyPinch wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as long as the torrent client knows how to reverse the changes it made to the file (why wouldn't it?) then there won't be any problem. Its just a really really simple form of "encryption", which most torrent clients do support

And then DropBox runs that on every file, so you you have the normal md5 and the torrent-obfuscation-reversed md5. They check both. We have now achieved nothing.

What about having a client-side only "corruption" function that is unique for each client? The file is visually the same, the md5 hash is different but when the torrent client is sending the data it just "uncorrupts" the file. When the file is received by another client, that one person's client will take care of uniquely corrupting their own version for storage.

Re: “PayPal has demanded that we monitor data traffic as well as customers’ files”

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Post by jamespo »

heartsucker wrote: post #143
RubyPinch wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as long as the torrent client knows how to reverse the changes it made to the file (why wouldn't it?) then there won't be any problem. Its just a really really simple form of "encryption", which most torrent clients do support

And then DropBox runs that on every file, so you you have the normal md5 and the torrent-obfuscation-reversed md5. They check both. We have now achieved nothing.

except each client could have its own seed
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