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Drowning in a Sea of Information

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Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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If the nunit test adapter for visual studio ran just a little bit slower (than it already is at To be serious, I definitely identified with some of the article, but it made me feel better because I'm not nearly as bad these days about massive backlogs and todos. I still accumulate un-read articles and ideas, but I'm better at mentally and emotionally shoving them in a virtual closet and forgetting about them.

I come up with ideas for short stories occasionally but I rarely sit down and try to write them, its hard to make time between the myriad of other things I'm interested in. This used to bother me, and the act of coming up with a story idea almost created a minute amount of stress when I didn't try to take it anywhere. I eventually came to accept it really doesn't matter if I follow through or not, if I accept early on what I really want to get out of it. The truth is the process of coming up with ideas and internally working through them is where I get most of the benefit, not in the process of having-done them. With this understanding, I realize I do get something out of the many ideas I have regardless of whether I follow them through, so I focus more on enjoying the internal problem solving/story exploring aspect and only try to follow through when I enjoy it, not to satisfy some need to accomplish things and be productive.

I'm not sure if thats a helpful concept to anyone else, but I've seen how other people get bogged down in unfinished projects, posts, stories etc and I saw myself going down that path as well. It ends up being very cathartic to physically box up a physical project, or delete a whole folder of bookmarks and just accept that whatever you absorbed was worth it and thats that.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a very similar problem of 'get to the main point' in videos. That is why I've built BriefTube (brieftube.net). It gives you instant automatic summarisation of lengthy youtube videos (with more platforms on the way).

I'm torn about this. On the one hand, people are very bad at editing in general and editing video in particular. They post 4 minute videos of something cool or funny, where it realistically could have been trimmed down to 10-20 seconds. On the other hand, this constant need to condense everything, including complex topics, into 10 second sound-bites is problematic, in my opinion. Some topics can't be properly underst…

Good point. My app doesn't replace the video as the source, but rather creates a smart way to navigate it. Give it a try. I'd be happy to hear your thoughts.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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If you don't read a newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read a newspaper, you are misinformed.

Therefore if you want to be informed about something, you need to skim through at least a dozen of different newspapers spread over the political landscape, so you can have enough pieces of the puzzle to be able to put together in your mind something that resambles reality. We call this "being informed", and yes, it takes a lot of time and effort.

The challenge of our age is that there are virtually infinite opportunities to inform yourself about a legion of topics: Most of those trivial and/or frankly stupid, and even the worthy ones being too numerous for a single mind to feasibly grok a majority of them.

TL;DR - Choose wisely and triage like hell.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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I found this section from Laudato Si pretty striking and relevant to the authors experience:

"47. Furthermore, when media and the digital world become omnipresent, their influence can stop people from learning how to live wisely, to think deeply and to love generously. In this context, the great sages of the past run the risk of going unheard amid the noise and distractions of an information overload.

Efforts need to be made to help these media become sources of new cultural progress for humanity and not a threat to our deepest riches. True wisdom, as the fruit of self-examination, dialogue and generous encounter between persons, is not acquired by a mere accumulation of data which eventually leads to overload and confusion, a sort of mental pollution. Real relationships with others, with all the challenges they entail, now tend to be replaced by a type of internet communication which enables us to choose or eliminate relationships at whim, thus giving rise to a new type of contrived emotion which has more to do with devices and displays than with other people and with nature.

Today’s media do enable us to communicate and to share our knowledge and affections. Yet at times they also shield us from direct contact with the pain, the fears and the joys of others and the complexity of their personal experiences. For this reason, we should be concerned that, alongside the exciting possibilities offered by these media, a deep and melancholic dissatisfaction with interpersonal relations, or a harmful sense of isolation, can also arise."

source: http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/docume...

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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I think that if there were a clear outline at the beginning of articles, essays or blog posts like this I might waste less time trying to skim them for the point. I didn't read nearly enough of it to find the author's point but personally I've started skipping over content that doesn't present clear goals up front. If I want suspense, mystery and surprise endings I read fiction. I would think that "Deep Reading" isn'…

I would love to see a writing format with something like the following structure: 1) A TLDR of Twitter length 2) A paraphrase of the key concepts and point argued in the article 3) The actual full-length article This way you could ramp up at each stage and decide if it's valuable to keep reading.

HN itself could really do with a description of 200 char to go under the link title, serving as a summary and contextualizing the title if it's inadequately informative. Timothy Gowers' Brexit blog post is an example of a non-clickbait title that just was not informative.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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One of the best articles I've read on this topic is here: https://next.ft.com/content/009050e4-75ea-11e2-9891-00144fea... "we overvalue new writing, almost absurdly so, and we undervalue older writing. I feel this market failure keenly each day when I recommend a fine piece of writing that deserves to be read for years to come and yet will have at most two days in the sun. You never hear anybody say, “I’m not going t…

Generally I don't watch the nightly network news. Experimentally I've tuned in. It lives in a parallel universe, very weakly connected to reality. One has to invest many hours in its fictional narrative to make any sense of it, much like you don't tune into episode 50 of a pop culture TV show and understand any of it. You're no better educated given one episode of the nightly news than you are when given one episode of "breaking bad".

In that way one isolated pop culture clickbait artifact from a year or decade ago is useless. I need a package of ten, maybe a hundred hours worth of content to make any sense of the pop culture references and the self references.

From the front page of Reuters right now, clickbait era journalism that makes no sense without extensive background:

Texas 'affluenza' mom has curfew eased

Fiat Chrysler to investigate crash that killed 'Star Trek' actor

Wall St. rally holds steady as Brexit chances weaken

Myanmar's Suu Kyi reiterates stance on not using term 'Rohingya'

VLMs rule, clickbait expands until the content is indistinguishable from noise, without extensive experience and training.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see a writing format with something like the following structure: 1) A TLDR of Twitter length 2) A paraphrase of the key concepts and point argued in the article 3) The actual full-length article This way you could ramp up at each stage and decide if it's valuable to keep reading.

HN itself could really do with a description of 200 char to go under the link title, serving as a summary and contextualizing the title if it's inadequately informative. Timothy Gowers' Brexit blog post is an example of a non-clickbait title that just was not informative.

Agreed. I often find myself clicking directly through to comments to gauge whether it is worth my time to read the article. An (optional) 200 char. summary would likely increase my willingness to actually take a look at the source article.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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First, I would note that this is one of the better pieces about attention problems and information overload. Far, far better than a work like Shallow, which weighs down a handful of actual insights with a vast collection of grumpy "good old days" rhetoric.

Having said that, I think the piece misses one key motivation for "TLDR culture": most online content is terrible. It is very bad and often non-obviously bad. If one starts reading carefully from the beginning, one will often (usually?) waste several minutes discovering that the article is not going anywhere good; that it explains a well-known idea, or is directionless, or is simply inaccurate. Skimming and skipping around are ways to avoid crappy content, and abandoning an article after reading a small portion is often a symptom of it.

I have not lost the ability to sit and read deeply. I may do it less than I would like, but that is a matter of time apportionment rather than capacity. But when I do commit that time, I will continue to do it with reputable, known-quality works instead of the average internet thinkpiece.

Re: Drowning in a Sea of Information

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I think that if there were a clear outline at the beginning of articles, essays or blog posts like this I might waste less time trying to skim them for the point. I didn't read nearly enough of it to find the author's point but personally I've started skipping over content that doesn't present clear goals up front. If I want suspense, mystery and surprise endings I read fiction. I would think that "Deep Reading" isn'…

I would love to see a writing format with something like the following structure: 1) A TLDR of Twitter length 2) A paraphrase of the key concepts and point argued in the article 3) The actual full-length article This way you could ramp up at each stage and decide if it's valuable to keep reading.

> 1) A TLDR of Twitter length 2) A paraphrase of the key concepts and point argued in the article 3) The actual full-length article

Otherwise known as "real journalism". You know, that thing we collectively decided we don't want to pay for.

You just described the "lead, intro graf, story" structure that newspapers have been using for decades if not centuries.

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