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The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by Pxtl »

losteric wrote: post #65
ZenoArrow wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Kahle gave a good talk at the end of day 1, where he pointed out that nobody quite knows what the end-user's interest is here. Are we talking about "open-source websites?"" To me the answer is obvious. Look at how the web is used now. Like it or not a high proportion of web activity is social. However, users of sites with a social focus recognise that there are drawbacks to the current arrangements, in that your u…

> home servers and decentralised identity. Home servers would need to be as close to zero configuration as possible, whilst still remaining secure. People aren't going to buy more black-box hardware they don't directly interact with. Consumers already struggle with routers. I agree with the core concept, but I think we'll need mobile servers instead of home servers... a simple "Internet" app that installs on anyone's…

People struggle with routers because they're terrible. Buggy, inconsistent, and their UI is full of detailed technical questions they don't know the answer to.

I imagine the box of the future is a home cloud box with a small touchscreen on it for the easiest bootstrapping ever. Enter a name and that's the new dynip subdomain and said. Enter a password and that's the password for wifi and for accessing the group shared content online, and the encryption key for cloud backup. Dont ask the user what encryption they want, just set up wpa2.

Physical panel is always admin. Let the panel admin create users and admins with their own credentials for all the usual cloud services - docs, email (at their subdomain), some kind of social networking/IM node, with easy-to-download apps for various other services like minecraft or music streaming or whatever, etc.

Complete 1-stop wifi and cloud server.

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by tracker1 »

I'm thinking that there is a lot to look forward to when the browsers start supporting the likes of IPFS, along with some DNS hints for IPFS nodes... perhaps something similar to a CNAME record, that points a DNS name to an IPFS published directory... Although, that would need a relatively low TTL, as it should be possible to publish, then update said reference quickly.

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by hNewsLover99 »

So... these internet-founding Einsteins actually think that Bitcoin should be a part of "our" future Utopian web? Well what do they (and all the other blockchain fan-kiddies) think of the fact that Bitcoin has now replaced Western Union as the preferred getaway car for ransomware and other extortionists around the world?

Businesses, universities, and even hospitals whose critical activities grind to a halt at financial gunpoint, and who are advised by law enforcement to roll over and pay up because nothing can be done for them - must be delighted to know that the tools of their demise are so "Utopian".

The internet isn't never was and never will be securable. Even the most resourced orgs are unable to defend their data. The founding fathers of the internet and W3C should admit this, apologize, and stop holding out false hope for the future.

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by tracker1 »

angry-hacker wrote: post #88
sanderjd wrote: post #39

> “That utopian leveling of society, the reinvention of the systems of debate and government—what happened to that?” Only speaking personally, what happened for me was that I noticed that these utopian online communities that we reinvented are not really particularly wonderful because a lot of the loudest people in such communities are really nasty people with really nasty things to say. On the other hand, the intern…

Well, even the hackers post their blog posts nowadays to centralized networks. Why every article has to be on medium.com - I have no idea - but it's very similar pattern the regular users of Internet have.

Because when you create content, you don't necessarily want to create, or host the system to manage that content.

By the same not, more and more projects are just using gh-pages... it's useful, out there, free (of cost to those publishing) and in general works.

In the end, there's a lot of options, I think seeing IPFS support baked into the browsers will see a new wave the likes that we saw in the late 90's of customized content, and then tooling that publishes to IPFS will take hold and some things may become more standardized.

I think there is a need to get to a DNS pointer that can take one from a name to an IPFS directory (similar to a CNAME) though that may need to be updated for each publish. In the end it can/will all be very interesting to say the least.

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by krapp »

epeus wrote: post #81
krapp wrote: post #32

>Think about some sort of publish/subscribe system, in which a web-page creator can regularly hit a publish command that makes it available for archiving, and various web archives can subscribe to receive updates This seems like something we could (should?) have right now. Maybe IA should write a Wordpress plugin, if they haven't? >Think about creating an archive of software as well, that perhaps may have to include…

>Think about some sort of publish/subscribe system, in which a web-page creator can regularly hit a publish command that makes it available for archiving, and various web archives can subscribe to receive updates This seems like something we could (should?) have right now. Maybe IA should write a Wordpress plugin, if they haven't? I think you just reinvented https://pingomatic.com/

I was vaguely thinking more of publishing and updating directly to IA through some kind of API, (rather than having them scrape everything - that may actually exist, I don't know), something you could even add as a button to a text editor. But that is pretty close.

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by epeus »

krapp wrote: post #95
epeus wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Think about some sort of publish/subscribe system, in which a web-page creator can regularly hit a publish command that makes it available for archiving, and various web archives can subscribe to receive updates This seems like something we could (should?) have right now. Maybe IA should write a Wordpress plugin, if they haven't? I think you just reinvented https://pingomatic.com/

I was vaguely thinking more of publishing and updating directly to IA through some kind of API, (rather than having them scrape everything - that may actually exist, I don't know), something you could even add as a button to a text editor. But that is pretty close.

that exists too - load web.archive.org/save/[your url]

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by callalex »

sanderjd wrote: post #39

> “That utopian leveling of society, the reinvention of the systems of debate and government—what happened to that?” Only speaking personally, what happened for me was that I noticed that these utopian online communities that we reinvented are not really particularly wonderful because a lot of the loudest people in such communities are really nasty people with really nasty things to say. On the other hand, the intern…

I think it might be an issue of "knowing how the sausage is made". I don't think most people realize how much data acces most sysadmins have in the services they use.

Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web

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Post by qwertyuiop924 »

pdimitar wrote: post #76
qwertyuiop924 wrote: post #72

I'm not optimistic for this effort succeeding, but it's doing the right things to make sure that success happens eventually. Instead of having a big get-the-corporations-to-work-with-us feel, this very much had the "screw it, let's do this shit" feel. It doesn't guarantee success, but no technical project ever succeeded by having people sit around talking.

"Get the corporations work with us" didn't work so far, I don't think it will magically start working from now on. It's my opinion (which is somewhat "backed" by a load of tech and economical news; I know that's not an evidence for anything) that the corporations are just fine with the situation right now; if anything, they fight to centralize even more services. It's true that projects like "the next web" (or howeve…

What I meant was talking about design ideas endlessly won't get much done. You get an idea out there, you build the thing, and than you standardize. Sure, talking to people is necessary and incredibly important, but don't overdesign and than wait to get everybody's permission. If you want to change the world, getting a working, if unpolished, version of your idea made is your first order of buisiness.
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