The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
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Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#2https://github.com/psybernetics/synchrony
I'm working on something else right now but when it's feature complete I'll port synchrony to Go. The plan is to give full consideration to potential pitfalls of multiple overlay networks, the contacts list, and of course peer-to-peer streaming hypermedia.
"ENABLE_WEB_APP" is also going to be a configfile option.
Users should also be able to modify a list of domains they won't utilise overlay networks for.
It will also have to perform the necessary alpha transforms on javascripts to prevent them from modifying the proxys' interfaces' objects whilst presenting a public API, so that in-network resources can do friends list operations for things to the tune of "network/nodeid/uid would like to play grand theft space wizards with you".
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#3Most of these guys are a disconnected from where the global market is going and are proposing preposterous ideas for west coast tech scenes own problems.
The web was based on a Western educational reference model that is not the normal mode for 3/4ths of the planet.
The new web would need to be pushed based, not pull based. It would need to be need to be instantly authorable and aware of people and devices, Not document based.
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#4Most of these guys are a disconnected from where the global market is going and are proposing preposterous ideas for west coast tech scenes own problems. The web was based on a Western educational reference model that is not the normal mode for 3/4ths of the planet. The new web would need to be pushed based, not pull based. It would need to be need to be instantly authorable and aware of people and devices, Not docum…
> The web was based on a Western educational reference model
In what sense is the web based on a Western educational reference model?
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#5Most of these guys are a disconnected from where the global market is going and are proposing preposterous ideas for west coast tech scenes own problems. The web was based on a Western educational reference model that is not the normal mode for 3/4ths of the planet. The new web would need to be pushed based, not pull based. It would need to be need to be instantly authorable and aware of people and devices, Not docum…
> The web was based on a Western educational reference model In what sense is the web based on a Western educational reference model?
Storing knowledge in written semistatic documents to be referenced is for the most part a higher education model.
The vast majority of the planet stores knowledge in people and references it via direct communications.
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The web was based on a Western educational reference model In what sense is the web based on a Western educational reference model?
Storing knowledge in written semistatic documents to be referenced is for the most part a higher education model. The vast majority of the planet stores knowledge in people and references it via direct communications.
So basically when someone says the web needs to reinvented, you object and in the same breath conflate the web with the internet as a whole?
Or am I missing something?
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#7Their goals seem at odds with the economic incentives in the entire developed world. It's a beautiful dream, but we're not sufficiently civilized to make it reality.
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Storing knowledge in written semistatic documents to be referenced is for the most part a higher education model. The vast majority of the planet stores knowledge in people and references it via direct communications.
So basically when someone says the web needs to reinvented, you object and in the same breath conflate the web with the internet as a whole? Or am I missing something?
I get the feeling that tsunamifury is suggesting that chat, rather than a document browser, ought to be the metaphor for the end-user Internet -- that's what "vast majority of the planet stores knowledge in people and references it via direct communications" seems to be alluding to.
Chat interfaces are certainly all the rage right now. Having a properly threaded log of your interactions with a service provider is one benefit of messaging vs. browsing; lack of exploitable UI space for distracting advertising and pointless branding is another. At the same time, the UI paradigm for chat apps isn't even yet up to '70s state of the art. It's only good for very short interactions with limited or obvious choices.
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#9Their goals seem at odds with the economic incentives in the entire developed world. It's a beautiful dream, but we're not sufficiently civilized to make it reality.
who is "we"? you are NOTHING.
reinventing MVC is fantasy??? i do it 4 times a day, lady.
Re: The Fathers of the Internet Urge Today’s Software Engineers to Reinvent the Web
#10The Web has already been reinvented, but not in the direction that Bernars-Lee wants. We have HTTP2 running everything through one pipe to big sites. We have Javascript that puts the site in control of the user's machine and makes web pages display-only, like PostScript.
More than half of all traffic is coming from the top 10 sites. The federated systems, email, IRC, and Usenet, have been replaced by Gmail, WhatsApp, and Facebook.