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Real, the Z80 has been continually produced for decades now.
Which companies make them? I'd be interested to read the specs page for modern Z80 or 6502 CPUs.
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It would be an 8-bit processor with no virtual memory. Why not a Raspberry Pi or something more powerful?
I'd love to be able to have the experience of writing all of the code for myself. Just a C compiler and a text editor and needing to build a world around me. Would be fun.
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#33My home-brew 68K machine just recently reached the same level of completeness except for the particular BASIC implementation (Tiny vs. Microsoft). Guess I should get it written up as a blog post or three.
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#34My home-brew 68K machine just recently reached the same level of completeness except for the particular BASIC implementation (Tiny vs. Microsoft). Guess I should get it written up as a blog post or three.
Port EmuTOS to it. A nice GPL reimplementation of the Atari ST (68k system) operating system that will fit in a 192kb ROM. These days it's somewhat semi-portable in that it runs on the Amiga and headless on ColdFire eval boards.
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#35People should make more 6809 kit computers.. So for example, then you can run OS-9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-9 and emulate an 8080 to run CP/M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiwmUnLTcjY
I'm just asking, why take that approach vs just building a Z80-based system to run CP/M?
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#36A 6502 backplane homebrew: http://quinndunki.com/blondihacks/?p=680 . Especially impressive because Quinn etched the PCBs at home. Fast-forward to the finished (and resurrected) project so you can see the backplane: http://quinndunki.com/blondihacks/?p=2644
Amazed and happy to see so much homebrew work still going on. The Veronica project on this site is fascinating.
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This kit seems very similar to the famous Altair computer which spawned MS-BASIC and CP/M. Anything like Unix and C is not desirable on such a system. Even a 'text editor', as we understand them today, is a reach on such machines. You could build your own world, but you'd probably have to do it writing ASM out by hand and then entering through a cumbersome line editor. For most purposes, that's too hard, so you would…
It's actually pretty surprising how much you can achieve with these 8 bit processors. My favourite example of pushing the 8 bit Arduino processor to the limit is this - 3D rendering at 320x240 x 16 bit: http://hackaday.com/2016/01/02/better-3d-graphics-on-the-ard...
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Amazed and happy to see so much homebrew work still going on. The Veronica project on this site is fascinating.
Let me self-promote my bitbox arm32 home-brewed console since it's somewhat on topic although less retro minded ( https://github.com/makapuf/bitbox/wiki ) edit : added link
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It's actually pretty surprising how much you can achieve with these 8 bit processors. My favourite example of pushing the 8 bit Arduino processor to the limit is this - 3D rendering at 320x240 x 16 bit: http://hackaday.com/2016/01/02/better-3d-graphics-on-the-ard...
That demo is rather impressive, but the AVR in an Arduino is much faster than a Z80. This machine is running at ~7.37MHz (which is fast compared to old Z80 based personal computers) whereas the Arduino typically runs at 16Mhz. Further, an instruction takes a minimum of 4 cycles on the Z80 and many take longer whereas most AVR instructions take only a single cycle.
I'm interested in running a keyboard, a terminal of some sort, and some task switching OS.
No sound or anything else needed.
I do remember some of my (much older) friends talking about their Sinclair ZX Spectrum. From what I remember they said they had a Z80 in that.
That old computer was able to do basic text editing from what I remember.
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I'm just asking, why take that approach vs just building a Z80-based system to run CP/M?
OS-9 is a dramatically more capable OS than CP/M, in that it's a fully multitasking RTOS.