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Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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I have duckduckgo set as my default search engine in Firefox. Does anyone know how I can make it use SSL? In other words, make it use https://duckduckgo.com instead of http://duckduckgo.com .

In chrome you just add an 's' in the URL in your default search engine settings.

Aha, I did this:

  find ~/.mozilla -name "*duck*"
Then I edited duck-duck-go.xml, changing http to https, and restarted Firefox.

Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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No, but there are rules if you do. (e.g., have to share with FBI when asked, have to delete after X months). Most search companies want to identify you. The problem is keeping them from having too many records.

>> "Most search companies want to identify you." I'm not convinced they want to do it for any malicious/profit based motive. They want to identify me to give me a better user experience, sure. Being able to identify users searching on a search engine doesn't suddenly mean it's easier to monetize. Google would still make billions from the adverts next to search results regardless of how identifiable users are. It's no…

Storing that much data about users isn't harmless just because the company doesn't do anything bad with it.

Even if that company would forever be good, they could still have their servers infiltrated into or stolen, or some government could decide that they want the data over night.

Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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Right, that's tracking everything the browser outputs, not just the user agent, which is maybe 1% of the full string.

I did an experiment and turned off javascript and redid the test... it still is unique enough to track a browsing session. Give it a try. I would consider using Duck Duck Go if nothing was logged. Right now I use another service precisely because they don't log anything.

what other service? Is it scroogle?

Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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I did an experiment and turned off javascript and redid the test... it still is unique enough to track a browsing session. Give it a try. I would consider using Duck Duck Go if nothing was logged. Right now I use another service precisely because they don't log anything.

what other service? Is it scroogle?

I believe cuil (hee hee) has advertised their lack of logging.

http://www.cuil.com/info/privacy/

Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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>> "Most search companies want to identify you." I'm not convinced they want to do it for any malicious/profit based motive. They want to identify me to give me a better user experience, sure. Being able to identify users searching on a search engine doesn't suddenly mean it's easier to monetize. Google would still make billions from the adverts next to search results regardless of how identifiable users are. It's no…

Storing that much data about users isn't harmless just because the company doesn't do anything bad with it. Even if that company would forever be good , they could still have their servers infiltrated into or stolen, or some government could decide that they want the data over night.

If you're looking at risk though:

  * Computer could have been compromised
  * Wifi/local network could have been compromised
  * Your ISP could have been compromised
  * Some of the peers on the internet between your ISP and google "
  * The datacenter where Googles servers are
And that's before the data gets to Google.

I'd guess that the most common privacy theft is at the first 2 steps - local computer / wifi network.

Any one of those could happen, someone could be logging all your searches + all internet traffic in some of those cases.

Personally though, "What I've searched for" is in the 'meh don't care if anyone knows this' bucket for me.

Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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It seems sort of like you're destroying the possibility for growth with this, though. From what I understand of Google's work, they really have improved tremendously from analyzing data (to find how searches go wrong), and from using the data in new features (such as with spell checking, adding new terms into the query, personalizing searches, etc.).

And I mean, I value privacy. I do. But, I value the quality of the search results even more than whatever privacy is lost from search engines logging, I guess. Unless there is some path to improvement, all I can ever see myself using Duck Duck Go for is porn, tips on murdering my spouses, and information on illegal drugs. Of course, other people would use it for much more-- but for me, there something truly wonderful about being able to search for "nose" and have the first result be a unit test runner I want to use, not a piece of anatomy I already know everything I need to about. Sure, it's stupid-- I should search for "nose tests", but I sometimes make mistakes, and here Google doesn't even need to say so and make me try again. It finds the target anyway, without problems (and the less-likely Wikipedia article is right below, as result #2). Without Google logging what I searched for and building a profile, this wouldn't be possible.

I don't mean to be fanboyish and loving of Google (they do scare me sometimes). If they added some sort of feature that said, "don't record anything I do right now with these searches", I would be very happy. But, similarly, I would also be happy if Duck Duck Go at least had an option to opt-in to logging and monitoring and so on. On my end, I would consider my relatively minimal, and explicitly given, loss of privacy to be worth it to help make a search engine I am using better (assuming, of course, that I'm using it-- and I'm not opposed to trying something new to me).

Re: Care about search privacy? Duck Duck Go no longer logs IPs.

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This is definitely a killer niche to fill given the current privacy conscious climate [around here]. Kudos.

"Privacy conscious climate"? Are we using the same Internet? (The one with Twitter, Facebook, Foursquare, etc...)

I don't use any of those and I deny google cookies.
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