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China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by lostlogin »

coenhyde wrote: post #157
rrggrr wrote: post #121

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Discouraging. Demolishing Larung Gar was likely on China's to-do list, but was probably moved-up in response to Obama's meet with the Dali Lama last week. China's real motivation in Tibet is water, arable land and secondarily eliminating a religious threat to central party rule. Everything else is pretense. Israel's motivation in Palestine is its own security from universally acknowledged threats it faces from its ne…

A lot of what you said is just not true. Israel takes a lot of West Bank water. And while the illegal jewish settlements might not be a sovereign claim by Israel. Israel isn't doing anything to stop them.

It's used as a cheap source of labour by many Israeli companies too. And while not occupied in the classical sense, everything's going in or out is controlled. The airspace is controlled, the place is heavily monitored and the populace are under no illusions as to has the power.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by fractallyte »

jjcc wrote: post #160
mac01021 wrote: post #58

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Assuming most of those little structures are inhabited, how does this city sustain itself? The land around it does not appear to be cultivated, and there does not appear to be much of a commercial area. That's a lot of people to feed.

It's seldom known to westerners but many knowledgeable Chinese know that there are financial aid programs for minorities. Similar to that of financial support from Canadian government to the natives in northern Canada. In other words, the money from tax payers of developed areas in China feeds the people. The purpose of the programs is also quite similar to the Canadian government, (at least in the beginning): the pe…

Why should an entire nation of people be satisfied with 'minority' status? There's a much simpler solution: 'self determination'. Furthermore, in this instance, it has a compelling precedent: Tibet, which China invaded in 1950.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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DblPlusUngood wrote: post #141
munin wrote: post #137

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> There should be a 'law' named for that attempted topic distraction in public forums. there kind of is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Here are even more names for this fallacy: tu quoque and whataboutism.

Thanks. "Ad hominem once removed" was as close as I could get.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by lostlogin »

iofj wrote: post #109
coldtea wrote: post #79

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The same legitimacy every other large government has. At least they only piss in their own pool -- not mess with peoples all around the world.

You may want to visit Africa. The time China was insulated to it's own people only is long gone.

> You may want to visit Africa

Or the Pacific islands or South China Sea (where things are going bad fast). Even calling Tibet part of China is interesting. Ukraine is Russian now by that logic.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by lostlogin »

anexprogrammer wrote: post #144
adventured wrote: post #138

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Prices would rise significantly and it would create a very large black market. There would be supply issues for more than a decade. The US does half a trillion dollars worth of importing from China. Every major US retailer is designed around imports from China. Most of that is relatively low priced consumer goods. Where do you plan to buy decently priced microwaves, by the millions, that aren't made in China? That do…

I don't see the ramifications playing out remotely like that. There'd be a diplomatic tit-for-tat leading up to sanctions, they wouldn't just be turned on at 00:00 tomorrow. So there'd be perhaps a year. Sanctions tend to start with specific items and scale up. So it's a process, with a timeline, over perhaps 2 - 10 years. Plenty of time for significnt amounts of trade to move to india, Vietnam and the other developi…

China holds quite a bit of US currency, the risk of offensive use of this has been assessed by the US as not too severe, but 3.2 trillion is a lot. It might be better used hurting US interests abroad rather than devaluing the $US.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by rrggrr »

coenhyde wrote: post #157
rrggrr wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discouraging. Demolishing Larung Gar was likely on China's to-do list, but was probably moved-up in response to Obama's meet with the Dali Lama last week. China's real motivation in Tibet is water, arable land and secondarily eliminating a religious threat to central party rule. Everything else is pretense. Israel's motivation in Palestine is its own security from universally acknowledged threats it faces from its ne…

A lot of what you said is just not true. Israel takes a lot of West Bank water. And while the illegal jewish settlements might not be a sovereign claim by Israel. Israel isn't doing anything to stop them.

Yes, and Nevada and California make the same complaint of Colorado. Cities and states inland of the US Great Lakes make the same complaint. Water rights are disputed globally, and that doesn't make Palestine the equivalent of Tibet. In Gaza (and Sinai), Israel gave up its settlements. In the West Bank there is one disputed formal settlement, and several nutcase Israeli squatter camps under dispute. The reality is that both the PA and Israel gain from the dispute in and around the West Bank because it appeases and gives fodder to hardliners on both side. No comparison to Tibet there, sorry.

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Post by lostlogin »

giardini wrote: post #92
jacquesm wrote: post #51

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> are you implying that trade with China is more important for the entire western world than international trade with the all the west is to China? Yes, we are utterly co-dependent at this point in time. Cutting trade with China would take a decade or more if it can be done at all at this stage.

"Cutting trade with China would take a decade or more if it can be done at all at this stage." But I could finally buy decent pliers made in the USA, like I once could 25 years ago.

Sacrificial tools are great when you want to do a nasty chore, but wow is it irritating having tools disintegrate during use.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by rrggrr »

lostlogin wrote: post #171
coenhyde wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of what you said is just not true. Israel takes a lot of West Bank water. And while the illegal jewish settlements might not be a sovereign claim by Israel. Israel isn't doing anything to stop them.

It's used as a cheap source of labour by many Israeli companies too. And while not occupied in the classical sense, everything's going in or out is controlled. The airspace is controlled, the place is heavily monitored and the populace are under no illusions as to has the power.

Its pretty clear everything going in and out is not controlled: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Palestinian_rocket_at...

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by lostlogin »

huahaiy wrote: post #170
tim333 wrote: post #166

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>going unchecked, that town would surely become such a terrorists base Sounds a bit unrealistic to me. You haven't been getting your information from Chinese government controlled sources by any chance? I see they called the Dalai Lama holding a prayer session for monks who had killed themselves terrorism in disguise so I can see how you could worry too much buddhism could lead to prayer. https://www.theguardian.com/…

Nah, I grow up there. I knew the people. Using a Game of Throne analogy, Tibetan people are like free folks (or wildings) and Han people are like people south of the wall. When I was there growing up, every male Tibetan carry weapons (including boys) on their body. They are a militant people, yes they are deviant Buddhists too, but that doesn't mean they are not militant.

Can I ask if you are Han on Tibetian? To use an analogy that puts the Tibetians as the savage outsiders suggests you come from the civilised "good" side. Even if Tibetians are militant, they were invaded, surely that says something about their oppressors?

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by lostlogin »

chii wrote: post #120
deepfriedbits wrote: post #28

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It's China, so it falls under the authority of the CPC first, then any legal considerations second. We marvel at how quickly they built up high speed rail, but when you can just seize land without regard to imminent domain, associated lawsuits and the like, things tend to get expedited.

Indeed every great human achievement had been accomplished with great human suffering and injustice. But perhaps that's the reality of the human condition, and nothing is ever going to change that.

>Indeed every great human achievement had been accomplished with great human suffering and injustice. No. How do you apply that logic to the last decade or two of advancements. Large Hadron Collider, SpaceX, gravitational waves, Mars explorer, human genome project etc etc.
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