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Re: Doctors Without Borders doesn't take money from EU anymore

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

jkot wrote: post #19

It is very inefficient to bring people to Germany and other western countries in order to help them. We could help one person in Germany, or another 10 people in Turkey for the same money. Most people coming to Europe are economic migrantw, not from countries affected by war. Refugees who can not afford $4000 for transport are left without help. It all started when Turkey asked for humanitarian aid. Merkel would not…

Sending money is not a viable long term solution. You must let them move to where they can make money themselves.

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Post by k-mcgrady »

Freestyler_3 wrote: post #50
k-mcgrady wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "We make something good for our children and we -have- to share it with the whole world in our house?" You mean you got lucky to be born somewhere that isn't currently at war and now you feel entitled to what you were born into?

Yes, because it is my heritage. My family history made it happen, and many families around us. I am a child of my mother and not a random baby thrown on a random spot on earth, I carry the burden of maintaining or improving the quality of life for my kids. - Doesn't mean that I do not wish that everyone in this world can have what I have, and I support helping others. - There are ways to come here and join our cultur…

And the only reason you are part of that family is luck. A Syrian refugee didn't choose to be born in Syria at a time when they would have to face civil war at some stage in their life. I think if the tables were turned are you had to flee to Syria your opinion would be vastly different.

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Post by oli5679 »

jlg23 wrote: post #32
curiousgal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most people coming to Europe are economic migrantw, not from countries affected by war Exactly this. The reasonable thing to do would've been to differentiate refugees from others and proceed to help the refugees because there's no question about that. Edit: Wait, I take it by the downvotes that you think people should not be screened and that everyone who shows up at the borders is a distressed refugee fleeing war?…

>> Most people coming to Europe are economic migrantw [sic] Source for that statement? > The reasonable thing to do would've been to differentiate refugees from others This is exactly what we are doing, but this requires actual checks, not just a look at a person's face.

Anecdote, so place as much weight on this as you wish.

I was working in a Starbucks in North London and sat next to a businessman. He started advising his wife/fiancee's distant family members on the phone who had travelled to Greece.

He gave them detailed instructions to (1) destroy their passports and forms of ID, (2) claim to be Syrian refugees fleeing from a war-zone and spend a couple of days rehearsing their stories.

He also gave them useful advice about the pros and cons of different country's refugee processing systems.

There are obviously many migrants genuinely fleeing war-zones (and it is understandable that many others wish to escape oppression/ poor economic situations) but self reported origins + reasons should be taken with a pinch of salt. Many applicants know that claiming to be from war-torn Syria guarantees a successful asylum application due to the Geneva Convention, whilst admitting being an Afghan economic migrant complicates things.

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Post by daleharvey »

jkot wrote: post #19

It is very inefficient to bring people to Germany and other western countries in order to help them. We could help one person in Germany, or another 10 people in Turkey for the same money. Most people coming to Europe are economic migrantw, not from countries affected by war. Refugees who can not afford $4000 for transport are left without help. It all started when Turkey asked for humanitarian aid. Merkel would not…

You are probably right, people are dying in their thousands to cross the med because they want some more cash ...

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Post by dalke »

raverbashing wrote: post #47
dalke wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boo-hoo. I live in Sweden. We have taken in huge numbers of people. I will gladly pay extra in taxes to help them out. Sweden is also far from becoming like Syria. If Sweden's policy is the limit, then most of the other EU countries fall far short of the limit you are concerned about.

> Boo-hoo. I live in Sweden. We have taken in huge numbers of people. The difference between being charitable and naive is a thin one. > Sweden is also far from becoming like Syria. Let's hope so. And while I agree most of the "news" on the Internet about Sweden are crap, Sweden has an important gender imbalance and increasing problems with violence Also nobody speaks anything and pretends it doesn't happen because "…

So you agree that most of the EU countries are not near the limits that you are worried about, yes?

Then why aren't they taking more refugees?

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Post by curiousgal »

ris wrote: post #54
thecopy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is reasonable to assume that if you enter Germany/Sweden it is not because you are fearing for your life in Austria/Denmark.

Ah - so the only countries that should be expected to take refugees should be those immediately sharing a border with them, right?

Of course not. But when you have "refugees" demanding to be allocated in a safe country and not another safe country then you can't help but question their status as a refugee (i.e. someone seeking safety).

http://news.sky.com/story/1557225/refugee-its-germany-or-not...

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Post by InclinedPlane »

dzaragozar wrote: post #46

Why is the EU the only responsible for refugees? Why not other states? Why not Russia, the Gulf states, Japan or the United States? It is getting tiring the bashing against the EU. The EU is getting refugees at the rate it deems convenient, if some other state is worried about the situation in Syria please take refugees, but please stop labeling the EU as evil.

Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Egypt, and Libya together have taken in a total of 6.7 million refugees. The EU has committed to taking on only 120k refugees.

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Post by dracht »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #31
Freestyler_3 wrote: post #27

I do not wish harm for any innocent people. If they want they can get what we have in their own country, they need to make that possible though, if needed with our help. (I think there should be more focus on taking care of refugees and the like in the region... or at least more in countries that support their culture) Only when really necessary we need to take refugees into europe for protection, usually those are p…

>> "We make something good for our children and we -have- to share it with the whole world in our house?" You mean you got lucky to be born somewhere that isn't currently at war and now you feel entitled to what you were born into?

I (me) am not a soul that was that "lucky enough" to be "born into" a body in a decent environment. I am the product of my ancestors. There is no luck or unfair process involved. I can't even really address the other part because it's so outrageous. Accusing someone of feeling entitled to the fruits of their labour and their parents' labour and their grandparents' labour? Repulsive.

Will you let a homeless stranger sleep in your bed if one comes knocking on your door? Assuming you don't, why not? Just because you were lucky enough to be born in a situation where you can afford a house and not end up with a drug addiction, you feel like you are entitled to such luxuries?

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