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China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by toyg »

golergka wrote: post #37
bhouston wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China : Tibet :: Israel : Palestine, they are analogous in many ways. The human rights groups talk about the problems, we recognize it is bad, the weaker ethnic community suffers and is oppressed, the more powerful ethnic group makes slow but steady progress in exerting its wishes, and no real changes are effected by the international community.

How many terror acts do tibetian supporters commit on an average month in China?

Do your human rights diminish if you fight back in the "wrong" way?

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by oi5zkc »

I visited Yaqing/Yachen mentioned at the bottom of the article about a month ago. The experience was surreal. In the middle of nowhere, 4 hours from the nearest city, the monastery is a sprawling complex of huts around the bend in a river in the tibetan tundra.

Here are some pictures: http://imgur.com/a/v4gYI

The hygienic conditions are very poor - people doing their business squatting on the streets, no toilets, rubbish everywhere. I am surprised that was not an argument being made by the government for the demolition.

There is some concern about foreign - especially American and British - influence on Tibetan Buddhists in the government. I am not sure this move will serve to diminish this influence.

Ps: on another note, a surprising number of these ascetic monks had an iPhone 6s+ or Samsung S7 in their pockets!

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by golergka »

toyg wrote: post #41
golergka wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many terror acts do tibetian supporters commit on an average month in China?

Do your human rights diminish if you fight back in the "wrong" way?

If it's a choice between your human rights and someone else's life — obviously.

Also, "fight back in a wrong way" is a very curious way to label brutal attacks targeting civilians that go on non-stop for the last hundred years — long before any of alleged grievances that you would be "fighting back" against even began.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by yompers888 »

bhouston wrote: post #20
mhuffman wrote: post #4

Wow! It is amazing that we do not consider this a human rights violation. Oh well, gotta keep them prices low at Walmart!

China : Tibet :: Israel : Palestine, they are analogous in many ways. The human rights groups talk about the problems, we recognize it is bad, the weaker ethnic community suffers and is oppressed, the more powerful ethnic group makes slow but steady progress in exerting its wishes, and no real changes are effected by the international community.

Doesn't Tibet lack a certain penchant for poorly aimed rockets and human shields in a way that detracts from this analogy?

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by jacquesm »

lotu wrote: post #6
mhuffman wrote: post #4

Wow! It is amazing that we do not consider this a human rights violation. Oh well, gotta keep them prices low at Walmart!

What are you proposing we do? Cut off trade with China? Intervene militarily? Write a strongly worded letter?

> Cut off trade with China?

That would definitely be an interesting experiment. I suspect prices would rise slightly and we'd find out just how dependent we really are.

After a week or two there would be a joint statement of the leaders of the Western World that they have unanimously decided to support the Chinese action, in fact they'll come to help to cart rubble personally.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by sintaxi »

gumby wrote: post #34
sintaxi wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under what legal authority does that cap exist?

China is the colonial power; that's all the authority required. Note that China did the same to the Han majority as well, for example in the destruction of the Hutongs in the major cities such Beijing this century, not to mention the destruction of the temples 70 years ago during the communist revolution. When I read this context-free article all I could think of was Henry VIII's destruction and confiscation of the m…

Ah ok, thanks. What is China's motivation for removing these villages?

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by gakada »

golergka wrote: post #44
toyg wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do your human rights diminish if you fight back in the "wrong" way?

If it's a choice between your human rights and someone else's life — obviously. Also, "fight back in a wrong way" is a very curious way to label brutal attacks targeting civilians that go on non-stop for the last hundred years — long before any of alleged grievances that you would be "fighting back" against even began.

The standard you are applying is pacifism: do not use violence even if violence is being used on you.

Re: China issues demolition order on world’s largest religious town in Tibet

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Post by xiaoma »

jacquesm wrote: post #47
lotu wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you proposing we do? Cut off trade with China? Intervene militarily? Write a strongly worded letter?

> Cut off trade with China? That would definitely be an interesting experiment. I suspect prices would rise slightly and we'd find out just how dependent we really are. After a week or two there would be a joint statement of the leaders of the Western World that they have unanimously decided to support the Chinese action, in fact they'll come to help to cart rubble personally.

I'm not sure I follow your reasoning... are you implying that trade with China is more important for the entire western world than international trade with the all the west is to China?

I could certainly see leaders in certain countries such as France who have been actively selling weaponry to China going "to help cart the rubble personally" but there's no way Obama or his next successor would do that.

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