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Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to keep the new millenials, they're pushing everyone else away. Millennials are the biggest and most active group, and more important to them compared to "everyone else" - they know what they're doing.

In the same vein I don't think it's as much capturing millennials as keeping up with them. It's impossible to predict every upcoming trend, but if they keep themselves nimble through acquisitions and trimmed product offerings they can ride the coattails of instagram/whatsapp type companies into eternity.

I disagree with the original premise that video is superior also, but Facebook is very calculated in their endeavors. They could be:

- feature-chasing Periscope/Vine/Snapchat/Meerkat/Twitch/Youtube

- enticed by pre-roll ads

- planning future Oculus integration, live VR streaming, etc.

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#23

Well ... uh ... I think ... I think ... uh ... everyone can hear me? ... I'll wait till the guys in the back ... oh and the girls, too, right hahahahahah ... OK ... let's get started... Sure. I know Facebook wouldn't put out videos like that but it seems 80% of all videos linked to do start out like that and that's the quality you're going to get from anyone worth listening to. Even the polished ones, though, blatter…

I completely agree there is a lot of garbage in a lot of video content, but if you can take advantage of the audio visual capacity you can get a lot. An example, Just watching a master craftsman do something can reveal a lot of tiny differences in technique that add up to a lot, but may not be written down explicitly.

Agreed, watching someone do something with his/her hands is (almost always) better than reading about it. But consider another scenario: a video of someone showing you how they type some code while talking about it. This sort of videos are unbearable to me, and I don't understand how some people can enjoy them. I'd rather read the code in text form, at my own pace.

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#24

Until now publishing content has had limitations. Now anyone can publish as much content as they want, however irrelevant, and that is becoming a problem: proliferation of irrelevant content (irrelevant from the perspective of the reader). So I think the next challenge is to just be able keep content concise, relevant and affine to your interests. Twitter took a stab at that, but it's not there yet. Having a machine…

>Only exploring stuff related to your interests can trap people within a detached state with respect to reality.

This is true. And it is exacerbated by confirmation bias.

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#25
post #9

> Human brains process it absurdly well considering there's nothing really built-in for it. That's unclear. The sheer bitrate of reading suggests that it might tap into some deep structures -- hacking some parts of the visual and speech systems, if you prefer. I don't click on HN video links because I find video slow and frustrating way to learn almost anything. Text is so random access -- you can skip over boring bi…

It's a very strange statement indeed to claim that there's nothing built-in for it. We built it around / within our capabilities. It works so well precisely because we built it for ourselves, for what we are capable of.

It's almost like they're pretending it spontaneously came from nature (or always existed absent of humans and we discovered it) and we weren't evolved for it but somehow adapted to it. You could insert eg a bicycle into the same premise: we ride them absurdly well given there's nothing built into the brain for specifically riding a bicycle (except there is: balance, grasping acceleration, etc. - we designed them for our use just as we did text).

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since I started playing all YouTube videos at 2x speed[0] I enjoy watching/listening to videos much more. Watching videos at 1x is just unbearable to me now. I wish FB added 2x playback too. [0] using https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/improvedtube-youtu...

Interesting! I do the same with video lectures from Coursera. For example, Odersky's lectures may be interesting, but boy is he a slow speaker. I simply cannot stand his -- and to be fair, most -- lectures unless I play them at 2X speed. And still, I'd rather read the PDF slides. Video isn't a particularly good way of conveying formal information. Text with graphics is way better.

Video is a great way to convey formal information - when that info needs the moving visuals aspect to be clearly presented.

Videos of people just speaking text is terrible and the wrong tool for the job.

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#27
post #16

I cant stand videos for most information. By the time the video loads and the probably slow speaking individual goes over just the introduction of the information, I could have already read a more informative article/post.

Since I started playing all YouTube videos at 2x speed[0] I enjoy watching/listening to videos much more. Watching videos at 1x is just unbearable to me now. I wish FB added 2x playback too. [0] using https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/improvedtube-youtu...

There's also this extension [1] by Ilya Grigorik that focuses on just speed controls if you want a leaner plugin.

1. https://github.com/igrigorik/videospeed

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#28
post #7

This article borrows heavily from an article that Graydon Hoare (founder of the Rust programming language) posted a couple years ago - http://graydon.livejournal.com/196162.html

You probably didn't mean it this way, but your comment seems to suggest that plagiarism occurred. I think you meant to say simply that the two articles are similar in theme.

It doesn't seem like Kottke's style to plagarize, but it also seems extremely likely he read Graydon's post before writing this one. Even the phrases like "always bet on text" are the same.

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#29
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree there is a lot of garbage in a lot of video content, but if you can take advantage of the audio visual capacity you can get a lot. An example, Just watching a master craftsman do something can reveal a lot of tiny differences in technique that add up to a lot, but may not be written down explicitly.

Agreed, watching someone do something with his/her hands is (almost always) better than reading about it. But consider another scenario: a video of someone showing you how they type some code while talking about it. This sort of videos are unbearable to me, and I don't understand how some people can enjoy them. I'd rather read the code in text form, at my own pace.

My god, I hate coding videos. There is nothing more frustrating than a command-line Linux video. A.) I cannot copy/paste what you typed into your terminal into mine from a youtube video. Give a decent transcript with the steps enumerated.

Re: Facebook is wrong, text is deathless

#30
post #16

I cant stand videos for most information. By the time the video loads and the probably slow speaking individual goes over just the introduction of the information, I could have already read a more informative article/post.

Since I started playing all YouTube videos at 2x speed[0] I enjoy watching/listening to videos much more. Watching videos at 1x is just unbearable to me now. I wish FB added 2x playback too. [0] using https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/improvedtube-youtu...

I never tried it at 2x speed. I will give it a try when I find an appropriate vid. Thanks to those of you who responded to my post, it gave me some good info.
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