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Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

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Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#41

Couldn't this come down more to men being conditioned to be more assertive and women being conditioned to de-escalate?

Or rather, men just by nature being more assertive.

I've got some Amazonians who disagree with you.

Perhaps the bell curve is slightly towards the male side in terms of baseline, but I'd argue that the majority is conditioning.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#42
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not every study is a double-blind random sample with statistical modeling and error bars.

Which also means not every study should be used to project its results over an entire population.

Which population? It's at least four engineering schools and a defense contractor. It would be extremely odd if the problem only covered those specific "populations" and didn't extend any further.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#43
So maybe the difference is in the behavior (learned). As the example suggests, men try to do what they do aggressively while women are not so aggressive.

For men: understand that others should have fun, understand that women are more likely to be more passive and overcompensate for it.

For women: let others know that brushing you off is not okay. Many do it without realizing it and most do it for both other men and women.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#45
You want to know why women are trying to exit tech? -- read today's dilbert cartoon (Jun 17). In it Dilbert proudly proclaims that he does not take vacations and anyone that takes vacations is a loser with a bad career. This kind of shit is being constantly pushed on engineering employees.

The only people that would willingly go for that are those with autism spectrum disorders and we all know that autism hits men more often. There some people that would go for that unwillingly (i.e., grudgingly) in a calculated bet to sacrifice their health for the sake of better career and better life later on, but those are also more likely to be men. Most women want to have children and they know that sacrificing your health affects the health of the children regardless of how good your career has gotten.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#46
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That wouldn't explain why men were assigned different jobs than women. ...sexist infrastructure was in place that kept female interns shuffling papers while their oftentimes less experienced male counterparts had legitimate “engineering” assignments.

Assuming the premise is valid, it would explain the differences. Everyone has to do crap work for time to time. I try and spread it around as evenly as possible to my team (which is a mix of men and women). But if one group is seemingly alright with that work and another group is loudly asking for better work and complaining -- it's easy to see how that would factor in. I try and ignore all that and just create varie…

As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#47
I think whenever you are a "minority" in anything you run the risk of being felt left out.

If your group comprises only 20% of something, then it is always going to be an issue.

The problem with the gender gap is that it will never go away. Prejudice against a race, ethic group, or religion is a mistake. People are generally people and we have more in common than we don't.

And as time goes on, I think you will see this type of prejudice disappear.

However, men and women and their differences will be around forever. There are clearly differences in how we think, act, behave and look. It's up for debate how much of this is cultural and how much is biological.

So, I don't see this going away, maybe ever.

Is there only 13% female engineers because men are sexist and treat them poorly? Or is it because men like math, science and engineering more than women?

I was a high school math teacher. I did everything I could do encourage my strong female students to go into a STEM field. They were some of my strongest students, they worked hard, they were ambitious, but they just didn't want to do it. I have no idea why, but they didn't want to study any more math than they had to.

On the opposite end, I had a few male students who weren't great (not even as good as a lot of the female students), yet they went on to study in a STEM field. Why? Because they really wanted to do it. They were drawn to it.

This is all anecdotal, but there is something there when I saw the same issue play out in several of my classes. I even brought it up with my female math teachers and they saw the same problem. Girls just aren't interested in studying math and science in college at the same rate as boys.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#48

Wow, the comments so far are so disappointing. (When I wrote this they are all completely dismissive of this study.)

The first comments are by the people who have already made up their mind on the matter and didn't have to take time to think about or digest the article, if they even bothered to read it.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#49

My company has desperately tried to hire female candidates into our engineering team, which is currently all male. From the dozens of applications that we got for the position, only about 5% were female. After interviewing them, they either declined the position, or weren't able to complete our take home challenge (nothing against these women, we have lots of guys fail it too!) So, yeah, I'd love to have some females…

I don't know where you are but there are bound to be multiple woman-focused tech groups in your area. I'd encourage you to reach out specifically to those groups. A lot of times when companies can't find candidates who aren't the same as the rest of the company it's because they only use the same networks and resources that got the other employees in the first place.

Re: Are women exiting engineering because men get the challenging assignments?

#50
post #39

Or it could be that tons of girls get sold into taking up the tech field at a young and impressionable age by presidential speeches, books telling them to "lean in", and articles like this that hint there is some conspiracy of men out there actively working to damage women and they are needed to right the wrong. Then, after spending 4+ years in college studying surface friction losses or CRDT applications without tom…

I doubt many women enter the field for some kind of social justice reason, how about we look at more likely explainations.
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