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Re: Buffer Layoffs

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Post by stevewilhelm »

btmorex wrote: post #272
tempestn wrote: post #249

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They pay market rates, just like sports teams do.

Sports teams don't actually pay market rates. Every sport that I can think of limits pay in one way or another especially for stars, ostensibly so that small market teams can compete with big market teams.

In English and European club football (soccer) there are no salary caps.

"In English sport, there’s no draft; there’s no salary cap; there’s no revenue sharing, no parity. In the Premier League, it’s every team for themselves." [1]

1 http://freakonomics.com/podcast/leicester-city/

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Post by stalcottsmith »

danso wrote: post #7

FWIW, here's their public spreadsheet of salaries and calculations. Not sure if it's been recently updated (on closer look, seems to reflect the founders' stated pay cuts, and new hires as recent as last month): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l3bXAv8JE5RB9siMq36-... edit: Adding links to their blog posts: https://open.buffer.com/transparent-salaries/ https://open.buffer.com/introducing-open-salaries-at-buffe…

It is very interesting to me that the founders have agreed to pay people in very low-cost-of-living areas almost as much as people in San Francisco. I'm pretty sure USD$95k in South Africa, Croatia, or Italy beats the pants off $120k in SF lifestyle wise. I guess the founders have not traveled to these places or fine with overspending?

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Post by ido »

mangeletti wrote: post #144
hammock wrote: post #56

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$4,000 would barely cover business-class airfare between SF Berlin for one employee. Not to mention accommodations, event space, meals and entertainment.

My wife and I will be flying to Vienna next month. It's $1,300/ea including the return flight from Copenhagen (price was the same when we priced Munich when we were planning the trip, in case you're wondering about the fare differences between Austria and Germany). I would never pay 307% of that price for an extra 3 inches of leg room and a free plate of salt and BHT.

Berlin to San Fransisco and back was 680 euros for me 2 years ago with SAS (last time I've been to SF).

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Post by dang »

dave2000 wrote: post #234
shadowfiend wrote: post #193

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> moronic drivel ^ why I downvoted you. > how can you bring less than your whole self to work This means basically wanting to be somewhere else rather than at work. i.e., their culture is one of being dedicated to work when you're at work; at least that's how I understand it. > poor English This is not uncommon colloquial English. “Team” and “family” here act roughly like “mind” does in the term “theory of mind”—basi…

I just posted my opinion on an aspect of the post. (I don't care about down votes; if I could hide my scores I would.) I don't need to know anything about a companies culture to know what they're saying is patently specious nonsense. You might be impressed by it, who knows. Do you read a company's mission statement when considering a job and say "company a say they're honest and driven by a desire to put both their e…

When you pile up phrases like "moronic drivel" and "patently specious nonsense", you're tipping onto the wrong side of the HN guideline which asks you not to call names in arguments. It's fine to make an argument against mixing work and family values; others have done so in this thread. It's not so fine, though, to do shrill denunciation in HN comments. That's good for stirring up indignation, if that's your thing, but it's bad for casual conversation, which is our thing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by zenlikethat »

chrisabrams wrote: post #304
zenlikethat wrote: post #291

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This exact "greed" rhetoric is what helps businesses keep dev salaries down. You don't get greedy people for that much, you get smart business people (they know their worth and charge for it).

I do not understand devs who justify low salaries this way. Why make 50% of your potential?

Exactly. If you are just greedy then programming is not the right field. Much more reliable to make a boatload of cash through other means if that's all you care about.

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Post by fullshark »

timv wrote: post #303
harryh wrote: post #60

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How many times do I have to get annoyed at my kid for waking up in the middle of the night before you're OK with me kicking him out of the house? Keep in mind that he is currently 11 months old...

How many times do you put up with your kid beating up his mother when he comes home drunk in the middle of the night before you require him to move out of the house? Keep in mind that his is 15 years old... As parents, we tend to believe that we will always love our kids in a way that allows us to maintain healthy functioning relationship with them no matter what happens. But when you see what can go wrong in familie…

Your point is ok but your hypothetical is so ludicrous it undermines it.

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Post by ryuker16 »

hammock wrote: post #163
jpna66dd wrote: post #88

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Are you saying it is customary to fly people business class in the Valley, rather than coach? Especially for a team retreat?

I cannot speak for Valley customs. But all of the (non-Valley) companies I'm familiar with extend business class to employees for international travel as a matter of policy.

It's been the complete opposite in my experience outside the valley.

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

jes wrote: post #215
gohrt wrote: post #203

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What if the children are the ones disturbing the peace, not loving, and bering irrational? And how can you be "loving" and "rational" at the same time?

I think you've asked some good questions. So, I think children should be disturbing the peace, and perhaps frequently. I see children as being engaged in absolutely critical work, which is trying to build up a set of abstractions, or concepts, that will allow them to succeed in the world as adults. To do this, I think they have to do lots and lots of experiments. It may look like horsing around to us, but I don't thi…

What happens when a child is psychotic or has a chronic health condition that causes them to struggle to communicate or 'give back' to their family in a way the family can understand? What happens if the child becomes suddenly ill, or is accused ofa crime that will take a lot of money to resolve? I feel that family is hard to view add a business transaction because there are these edge cases.
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