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Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

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> Remember, the stock market is just gambling. That's quite a claim, where's the evidence to back it? There are funds[1] that have consistently beat the market every year for decades, their very existence disproves the gambling hypothesis. > What do you know that the pros do not? You're not playing the same game as the pro's so it doesn't really matter. Hedge fund/mutual fund managers are playing with millions/billio…

Every single trade you place has several costs associated with it. Things like the direct cost to the broker, and the implied cost of half the current spread. I do not believe that most people have the skill or discipline to understand the difference between happening to make money and properly making money long term. As for it not being gambling - there's nothing stopping you beating bookmakers. It's doable, but you…

> I do not believe that most people have the skill or discipline to understand the difference between happening to make money and properly making money long term.

Sure, and I agree on that point.

> If it's so easy to make money on the stocks why isn't everyone doing it?

No one said it was easy. Merely that it's not gambling; gambling implies that's it's random and you can't find any edge, but people clearly do find edges and make money consistently so it's not gambling, it's just damn hard. However, it's a fallacy to conclude that you have to be better than the pros to make money for exactly the reason I specified, the pros are playing a harder game because the more money you have, the harder it is to find alpha.

It's vastly easier to get a 10% return on a few tens of thousands that it is on millions or billions because of liquidity and slippage. You can't exit a losing position in the billions instantly like you can when you have a few thousand, or enter quickly, it's an entirely different game.

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

#72

Remember, the stock market is just gambling. Fancy tools and triggers just let you kid yourself you know what you're doing. Unless you do it as a full time job, you probably should not ever directly trade individual stocks. What do you know that the pros do not?

At the end of the day, most individual investors feel a relationship with the brands and companies they love, and often times they express their support by buying shares. For any individual investor who owns single stock or likes do it themselves, there are very little tools to help you invest responsibly. Trigger is trying to take the emotion out of investing, as the pros do. As a former trader, this is the most imp…

>We encourage investors to trade via triggers, instead of being driven by fear or greed.

These triggers could be considered a proxy for fear ("IF JPM dividend decreases THEN SELL JPM") and greed ("IF Fed raises interest rates THEN BUY VXX"). These codify and act on what a user expects their emotions to be.

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had concrete and plausible answers for "What do you know that the pros do not?", and were willing to test the correctness of their answers scientifically. And they have the resources to fund those tests without risking their personal financial health. I'd give the same answer for someone who wanted to write crypto, and I'd expect much of HN to do the same. We absolutely need more people writing crypto, including…

Sounds like you're making up an answer. Let's go to the video. start the video at 8m38s and listen to Simmons explain that he had no idea wat he was doing when he started. A rare interview with the mathematician who cracked Wall Street https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_simons_a_rare_interview_with_t...

What's the ratio of amateurs who fail to the Simmons' of the world?

Not to mention the fact that there is a huge number of professionals in this space who can only afford to do what they do because it's their losing their customers money and not their own.

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

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As far as I can tell, Trigger is neither broker nor advisor. Why a company that is none of those wants to touch my securities, I can think of no charitable reason for that. There exist a million reasons you do not want not-quite-stop-limit orders on SPY or GOOG in your personal account, you are up against trade execution systems that smoke your retail broker not to mention this outfit (who you now put between you & y…

But what if all I want to do is spread butter, not murder someone?

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

#75

I work for a quantitative hedge fund. I program computers to trade securities for a living. On any given day, code that I have written trades hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock, futures and options. I feel very confident in saying that for 99.9% of people, using this service will be a terrible, terrible idea that will only cost them money in the long run. If you want to get into the stock market, buy a lo…

How well did your quantitative hedge fund performed in 2008?

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

#77

I work for a quantitative hedge fund. I program computers to trade securities for a living. On any given day, code that I have written trades hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock, futures and options. I feel very confident in saying that for 99.9% of people, using this service will be a terrible, terrible idea that will only cost them money in the long run. If you want to get into the stock market, buy a lo…

I was thinking the same thing. Traders already play games with amature's stop-loss orders, etc... This just looks like a tool that unsavy investors will get themselves taken to the cleaners by professional traders.

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

#78

I work for a quantitative hedge fund. I program computers to trade securities for a living. On any given day, code that I have written trades hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock, futures and options. I feel very confident in saying that for 99.9% of people, using this service will be a terrible, terrible idea that will only cost them money in the long run. If you want to get into the stock market, buy a lo…

I agree. How can joe average compete with the resources of hedge funds which are doing the same thing at a much lower latency using more sophisticated mathematical methods, at a higher volume (so lower relative fees).

I am sure the idea is well intentioned but really it is just suckering people out of money in a similar way to forex robots etc.

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

#79

Hey everyone! I’m co-founder and CEO of Trigger Finance, which I’m thrilled to share with you today :) Trigger is simplifying the world of stock investing by reducing everything to an “IF THIS, THEN THAT” statement, called a ‘trigger’. You can create triggers to track all sorts of things happening in the market -- for example, if a stock drops suddenly, or if Apple announces earnings at a certain level, or if the Fed…

2 questions:

a) Is the REAL real-time, or is it delayed? (If not delayed, who's allowing you to share real-time data for free?)

b) Can I administer 100% of my configuration on the web and then just use my phone to monitor it?

Re: Show HN: Trigger – IFTTT for the stock market

#80

Hey everyone! I’m co-founder and CEO of Trigger Finance, which I’m thrilled to share with you today :) Trigger is simplifying the world of stock investing by reducing everything to an “IF THIS, THEN THAT” statement, called a ‘trigger’. You can create triggers to track all sorts of things happening in the market -- for example, if a stock drops suddenly, or if Apple announces earnings at a certain level, or if the Fed…

2 questions: a) Is the REAL real-time, or is it delayed? (If not delayed, who's allowing you to share real-time data for free?) b) Can I administer 100% of my configuration on the web and then just use my phone to monitor it?

hey thanks for your question! a) this is real time data (not free!) provided by Nasdaq's consolidated feed. b) At the moment, we are mobile first however we plan to offer an API where you can set your triggers programmatically if you are so inclined, and monitor them on your phone.
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