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In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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Re: In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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Reminds me of this 2014 article about a "standoff" between McDonald's Employees and elderly Chinese people using it as a community space http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/McDonalds-Elderly-Senio... Also, chess players being evicted from a Vancouver mall after 50 years of congregation http://www.timescolonist.com/chess-players-offered-new-play-... I have an ideological axe to grind here, but I can't help but think…

> the end-game of libertarian "the government should enforce property rights only"

The alternative is government, but this is clearly a case where they've failed. Federal, state, and local governments haven't provided any comparable services, only the private sector did, and with no government funding.

I think the liberal (or north-american libertarian) way, would include local community areas run by individuals within said community similar to a co-op. Remember that liberalism doesn't tell you HOW you have get together, only that politicians can't create a one size fits all solution and force everyone to pay for it.

Re: In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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I personally avoid Chic-Fil-A because of their anti-LGBT and pro-religion values, but I'm glad to hear they're pleasant for children.

Those are the main reasons I go there so often. It's a certain caliber of customer that seems to go there, and I really enjoy the atmosphere and the certainty that there won't be any weirdos or spiky-haired freaks while I'm trying to eat my food.

I'm not so big on the whole religion thing, but whatever. They've a right to think that.

Re: In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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I personally avoid Chic-Fil-A because of their anti-LGBT and pro-religion values, but I'm glad to hear they're pleasant for children.

It's really unfortunate, because Chic-Fil-A is arguably the best fast food option in the US when it comes to user experience (depending of course on your exact definition of fast food and whether or not you include non-franchised local businesses that nevertheless operate similar to fast food places).

I'm routinely impressed with the level of customer service at Chic-Fil-A. It's frankly better than what I've gotten at many formal restaurants. On several occasions my SO and I have been given generous amounts of free food as well, and we're only semi-regulars (maybe twice a month).

One instance stands out. We ordered a frosted coffee to try it. Out of nowhere one of the employees made us a second one for free, but he made it differently from the first one with different ingredients. He gave it to us so we'd each have one and so we could decide which method of making it we thought was better. Stuff like this has happened multiple times at Chic-Fil-A for us.

Re: In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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I personally avoid Chic-Fil-A because of their anti-LGBT and pro-religion values, but I'm glad to hear they're pleasant for children.

Sad to see you downvoted for expressing a great American freedom, voting with your dollars.

I too was very sad to see Chik Fil A's ownership become involved with conservative social politics, going so far as to fund anti-gay conversion camps using electro-shock therapy on depressed gay teenagers.

But as long as you're the right kind of family they are the perfect family environment, no doubt.

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And in rich neighborhoods, Starbucks?

As much as I love small cafes, I have to say, Starbucks has grown on me, specifically living in a nice neighbourhood. The Starbucks near me is always very clean, has a very nice interior, plenty of outlets for laptops, fast wifi, very clean washrooms, and pleasant baristas. They even have a large communal table which they allow meetups to book. And plenty of people ranging from families to students walk from their detached homes to chill. I know that not all Starbucks are like that (one NYC location had a filthy bathroom, one in San Bruno is always packed with inventory boxes and people) but I think they were able to foster a community and place of comfort for their cafe.

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post #21

Reminds me of this 2014 article about a "standoff" between McDonald's Employees and elderly Chinese people using it as a community space http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/McDonalds-Elderly-Senio... Also, chess players being evicted from a Vancouver mall after 50 years of congregation http://www.timescolonist.com/chess-players-offered-new-play-... I have an ideological axe to grind here, but I can't help but think…

> the end-game of libertarian "the government should enforce property rights only" The alternative is government, but this is clearly a case where they've failed. Federal, state, and local governments haven't provided any comparable services, only the private sector did, and with no government funding. I think the liberal (or north-american libertarian) way, would include local community areas run by individuals with…

The bigger issues with co-ops right now in the USA are the regulatory barriers in the way of forming one without everyone involved becoming liable for anything bad that happens.

Re: In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's definitely not bad or gross any more, at least in some parts. Their coffee is the best at that price point as well.

A friend of mine services kitchen equipment for a living (in the UK), he regularly tells me McDonald's are the cleanest establishments he visits.

imo mcdonald's coca-cola taste is the best because they're the only ones that clean their fountainheads regularly.

Re: In poor neighborhoods, McDonald’s have become de-facto community centers

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> I am pretty sure the cheeseburger, apple slices, and chocolate milk are not much worse, and probably better, than the typical fare on a slapped together kids meal.

Wow. It saddens me to see that statement. I thought it was commonly knowledge that McDonalds isn't actually "food" in the nutrition and health sense of the word any more than cotton candy and pure salt are.

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