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Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by zeta0134 »

speleding wrote: post #249
sampo wrote: post #222

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> on newer mac keyboards it lacks the symbol. Only on American keyboards, apparently.

How odd! But I believe you are right [1], all two dozen Apple keyboards have the option (aka "alt") key, including the "British" one, but not the "English" one... (Who's the imperialist now ;-)) Perhaps the idea is that the average user only needs the option key for non-ascii characters like £, so Americans won't need it. [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201794

Oh wow! I stand corrected, mostly. I was not aware that was an American thing. How very strange.

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Post by SeriousM »

"It looks like the Photos app is getting a huge upgrade and now looks more like Google Photos. The big difference, obviously, is that Apple handles everything on your device and doesn’t collect data about you. "

Yyyes, rrright...

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Post by piyush_soni »

macintux wrote: post #259
piyush_soni wrote: post #250

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Yeah. But would you like it if Apple does the same? Because I bet they'll end up doing it sooner or later.

Yes, the company that is expending significant effort on (differential) privacy, end to end encryption, ad blocking (and just wrapped up their small, privacy-sensitive ad network)... is going to start hosting Pampers ads.

No, you didn't get it. They won't host ads, but they'll have to upload things on their servers to compete with Google in terms of features (both Google Photos, and Google Now) (of course, they'll still do it with the holier-than-thou attitude). It's not that they've never taken complete U-turns anyway.

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Post by 7Z7 »

intoverflow2 wrote: post #248
jedanbik wrote: post #78

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3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

Tap and hold was already the option key for iOS. 3D Touch is a technology in search for a use.

Tap and hold does other things.

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Post by baddox »

zimpenfish wrote: post #237
baddox wrote: post #125

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> 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists) I think people know it exists. The problem is that it doesn't do anything remotely useful, except for the iPhone keyboard cursor thing. > Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I use it all the time (at least once a day) to add a reminder, set a timer, set an alarm, check sports scores (I don't really follow sports, so this will…

> The problem is that it doesn't do anything remotely useful I've used 3D Touch about 20 times today in the 4 hours I've been awake. None of those have been the keyboard cursor either. (Workflow, LINE, Messenger, Buffer, Camera, ...)

I don't use any of those apps except Camera. Out of curiosity, how do you use 3d Touch in Camera?

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Post by erikpukinskis »

throwanem wrote: post #117
erikpukinskis wrote: post #94

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I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

> I still have no idea what the option key is for It's for "⌥". Yes, that's not ideal, and it's a striking UX failure on Apple's part that the keycap says "option" while the menu says ⌥ - all the more striking given Apple's generally well deserved reputation for getting that kind of thing right. Same goes for control and ^ - granted, Unices have represented Control as ^ since forever, but part of the appeal of a Mac…

> how does it take (more than) a decade to learn these correspondences?

Because it only comes up maybe once every two months and by the time I need the knowledge it has fallen back out of my brain.

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Post by bowlingx »

zimpenfish wrote: post #239
bowlingx wrote: post #176

Finally they managed to remove the weird intelligent selection behavior in safari!!! (The one that unpredictable marks blocks or the whole website). Thank you apple :) They also ignore any viewport meta data so you can always zoom. My Cordova app doesn't like this :( I hope it can be disabled for WKWebView programmatically

> I hope it can be disabled for WKWebView programmatically I'm hoping it can't - being unable to zoom a web page means it goes on the shit list because then I can't read it how I want to.

For websites this seems ok for me, but for apps that run inside wkwebview, I think there should be more control about this behavior. You can't zoom normal apps so this would make the Usebility properly worse or unexpected.

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Post by weinzierl »

spost wrote: post #182
weinzierl wrote: post #132

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> except for the iPhone keyboard cursor thing. That's enough for me to never want to miss 3D touch again. >I use it all the time (at least once a day) I use it almost daily too, you get used to that things so quickly. The thing that annoys me with Siri is that it is slow. I want to say: "Hey Siri, how is the weather today?" and not "Hey Siri" wait, wait, wait, bling, bling, wait, wait, wait, "How is the weather today…

Can you not do that? In my experience (including a test just now), speaking that phrase in a natural cadence (no weird pauses) is recognized perfectly.

That's interesting. For me, after saying "Hey Siri" it takes maybe half a second to a second for Siri to "wake up". I use it in German, maybe that's the difference.

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Post by weinzierl »

baddox wrote: post #148
weinzierl wrote: post #132

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> except for the iPhone keyboard cursor thing. That's enough for me to never want to miss 3D touch again. >I use it all the time (at least once a day) I use it almost daily too, you get used to that things so quickly. The thing that annoys me with Siri is that it is slow. I want to say: "Hey Siri, how is the weather today?" and not "Hey Siri" wait, wait, wait, bling, bling, wait, wait, wait, "How is the weather today…

I don't actually use Hey Siri much, because it is so unreliable. I mostly press the home button and hold for the entire duration of my voice command (because that allows you to pause in the middle of your voice command without Siri thinking you're done speaking).

I didn't know you could do that, maybe it could be useful sometime. Currently I use Siri only when I can't use my hands to interact with the phone (cooking, clothing the child, etc.).

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Post by zimpenfish »

bowlingx wrote: post #267
zimpenfish wrote: post #239

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> I hope it can be disabled for WKWebView programmatically I'm hoping it can't - being unable to zoom a web page means it goes on the shit list because then I can't read it how I want to.

For websites this seems ok for me, but for apps that run inside wkwebview, I think there should be more control about this behavior. You can't zoom normal apps so this would make the Usebility properly worse or unexpected.

Oh, hmm, good point, I missed that subtlety. Yes, apps definitely should be able to prevent zooming.

(Purely from a personal perspective, I'd prefer that people who made web apps didn't because they're a much less good user experience.)

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