Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Apple announces iOS 10

techcrunch.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

161–170 of 277 posts

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#161

Post by Swizec »

jedanbik wrote: post #78
andrewla wrote: post #24

Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

> Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key.

You just blew my mind. I've been using Macs for nigh on 10 years and this is the first time I've heard of this. This is going to make so many common tasks (choosing sound output) so much easier!

Until I forget it exists 2 hours from now.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#163

Post by ZeroGravitas »

wlesieutre wrote: post #126
badlucklottery wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can predictably silence it before it happens with the above method. Just drag the "music" volume to zero.

I'm not sure what solution they're looking for. A single universal volume control where if you turn up a video it means your ringer is now on full blast? 6 volume buttons on the side of your phone to adjust them each individually? Android's system of adjusting media volume when media is playing and ringer volume when it isn't seems like a reasonably clean solution. It takes a single tap to expand to the three sliders…

It's not that exotic, you've got a child or a sleeping partner or a boss in the same room and you want to watch a mostly visual video without any unnecessary jingles or other audio cues from disturbing them.

So you reduce the volume, but it only reduced the ringer for calls, which isn't what you want.

As the sibling answer says, newer Androids can do this. One click to display the volume, a touch to see the individual controls and then slide.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#164

Post by zepto »

johansch wrote: post #46
thisisdallas wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you aren't the only one. In my opinion, Apple has gone from a mixed of innovation + reaction + improved quality to mainly just reaction.

Agreed. I was yawning during this keynote. This is weak sauce.

What single thing would you have thought was better?

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#165

Post by EugeneOZ »

yoz-y wrote: post #140
partiallypro wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I felt the presentation of iMessage was embarrassingly trying to seem hip. The only thing I didn't find to be annoying bloat was the ability to tap and "like" a message. Really cuts down on messages like "great" and "ok." Otherwise it honestly felt like Yahoo Messenger from 2005 in level of bloat, where you could "buzz" people and shake their windows. People use things that aren't iMessage, not because of fea…

No. People use other apps because they have a large adoption and stickers (we chat and line) or because they were free while sms were not (whats app). Only us tech nerds care about security.

But not only nerds think about cross-device compatibility.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#166

Post by f_allwein »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #94
jedanbik wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

Interesting facts in Wikipedia:

"The "⌘" symbol (the "looped square") was chosen by Susan Kare after Steve Jobs decided that the use of the Apple logo in the menu system (where the keyboard shortcuts are displayed) would be an over-use of the logo. Apple's adaptation of the symbol — encoded in Unicode (and HTML) at U+2318 ⌘ (HTML ⌘) — was derived in part from its use in Scandinavian countries to denote places of interest. The symbol is known by various other names, including "Saint John's Arms" and "Bowen knot"."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_key

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#167

Post by zepto »

drinchev wrote: post #30

iOS 10. 10 Features that I think they had a hard time to convince the audience that were so important. I've been using iOS since v3 and it's going ^2 complicated every year. Come on guys, nobody expects that you can deliver a revolution with every WWDC. Just don't make the interface more complicated. Siri, 3d touch, home kit? I barely know anyone using those and everyone these days has an iPhone. The focus is shifted…

All of these things will improve usablity. Right now you have to fumble around inside apps for many common actions that will be much more readily accessible.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#168

Post by dragonwriter »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #96
erikpukinskis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

Seven? What? There's Control, Option/Alt, Command, and Shift. Four modifier keys. This is the same set you have on other OSes, except there, Command is called Windows Key or Super. Yes, Apple has symbols as abbreviations for Control, Command, Option, and Shift. Yes, Option is also called Alt. But it's not really all that complicated.

The problem isn't the number of modifiers, the problem is that Apple uses symbols for them in the UI that over time it has progressively removed from keyboards, and which have no obvious connection to the names on the keyboards (except for Ctrl sometimes getting the same ^ treatment on other platforms, this just isn't the case outside of Apple.)

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#169

Post by therealmarv »

How is object recognition possible on a (i)phone without a huge/massive dataset like Google uses on Google Photos' AI backend? It has to be worse AI than from Google Photos. Can someone clarify?

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

#170

Post by emehrkay »

throwanem wrote: post #117
erikpukinskis wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

> I still have no idea what the option key is for It's for "⌥". Yes, that's not ideal, and it's a striking UX failure on Apple's part that the keycap says "option" while the menu says ⌥ - all the more striking given Apple's generally well deserved reputation for getting that kind of thing right. Same goes for control and ^ - granted, Unices have represented Control as ^ since forever, but part of the appeal of a Mac…

After reading your message, it just clicked to me that the option symbol could be a fork in the road.
Post reply on HN