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Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by pritambaral »

martin-adams wrote: post #87
JustSomeNobody wrote: post #79

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So, on Android, if you know it's going to blast out, you can't go into settings from the notifications shade and change the volume for Music, video, etc. to a reasonable level? I can on mine...

Yes, this is what I do. It would be nice to use the volume rocker to do that.

There's just two buttons. Both have specific purposes.

You can touch the screen to drop the selector, click on which volume you want, and go ahead with using the rocker for that volume selector.

To silence app-audio, I use just: volume-rocker, click on down arrow, click on music icon to mute. That's it.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by khc »

andrewla wrote: post #98
Frank2312 wrote: post #28

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Just addressing your last point in this comment : ­>looking at what an app wants in order to install. I believe they request the same things in iOS as they do in Android in the case of multi-Platform apps like Facebook, but Google decided to show them in a different way that looks like it is worse than how Apple does it.

I haven't actually used Marshmallow yet; only read about the security model. But historically, apps on iOS can only ask for permissions at run time, not at installation time, and you can refuse any permission if you choose (and restore it later if you want). So if an app wants to use a camera, it can either (terribly) ask you the first time you run it, or (nicely) ask you when you do something that uses the camera, a…

In marshmallow, apps that are built for marshmallow behave like iOS, in that they will install without asking for permissions. For old apps, they will behave like previous versions of Android and pop up a list at install time. Those permissions are granted at install. You can go into settings and disable granted permissions in both cases (with a warning that things can break for old apps)

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by leohutson »

throwanem wrote: post #89
martin-adams wrote: post #87

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Yes, this is what I do. It would be nice to use the volume rocker to do that.

How do you expect it to know which volume setting you want to adjust?

It just needs to be smarter about the context. If a video is loading in chrome, 90% of the time the intent is to turn down the volume of the video, it's broken that it waits for it to start playing.

Honestly, the most intuitive option for me would the audio controls should never touch the ringer, bury that behind a menu, rather than switching based on context.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by sushid »

amaks wrote: post #42

Was it just me, or ability to interact and access personal data on the lock screen on a locked phone seems little insecure?

I'm sure you'll be able to toggle these settings via settings.

Currently, you can toggle off access to Siri, Notifications, Today View, Message/Relies to Message, and Wallet.

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Post by FireBeyond »

karlshea wrote: post #99
erikpukinskis wrote: post #94

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I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

I feel like your complaint is a little silly. ⌘ is Command and is printed right on the keyboard, Shift is an up arrow, and ^ is instantly recognizable as Control if you've used a Unix ever. The only one that's really strange is ⌥, which by elimination is Option.

UX by elimination - mystery meat navigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat_navigation) for your keyboard.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by [deleted] »

Raphmedia wrote: post #97
erikpukinskis wrote: post #94

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I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

Why? It's no different than pressing "Windows + D" to display the desktop on a PC. As for the characters ⌘, ⌥, etc. they are printed on the key themselves... Edit: Also, ⌘ historically denotes a place of interest. ⌥ is visually taking an alternative path... it's a straight line which goes parallel. It's the key for alternative functions... alt on pc.

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Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by throwanem »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #94
jedanbik wrote: post #78

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3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

> I still have no idea what the option key is for

It's for "⌥".

Yes, that's not ideal, and it's a striking UX failure on Apple's part that the keycap says "option" while the menu says ⌥ - all the more striking given Apple's generally well deserved reputation for getting that kind of thing right.

Same goes for control and ^ - granted, Unices have represented Control as ^ since forever, but part of the appeal of a Mac is supposed to be that you don't have to be a grizzled hacker to understand it.

That said, how does it take (more than) a decade to learn these correspondences? Not that I don't understand your complaint here, and I agree it should be fixed, but...I mean, this stuff doesn't seem all that hard.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by JonathonW »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #94
jedanbik wrote: post #78

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3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

Useless fact of the day: the special characters Apple uses to represent keyboard shortcuts in the menu bar, with the exception of Ctrl (^)[1], are all part of an ISO standard [2]. I've never really understood why they stopped printing them on the keyboard, though-- it turns figuring out shortcuts like ⌥⌘⎋ into a game of trial and error for new users, rather than something that's relatively self-explanatory.

A few of the symbols are still printed on Apple's keyboards in a few locales, but it looks like the confusing ones (option, escape) are gone in all locales on their most recent keyboards.

[1] Apple follows the popular convention from *nix here, rather than the ISO standard, which is a sort of a dharma wheel thing that I can't find in Unicode.

[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:ISO_9995-7_symbo...

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by marvin »

newjersey wrote: post #31
filereaper wrote: post #27

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Anecdotal, but I've found Siri to be quite helpful with Car Play, along with Google's equivalent (can't remember its marketing name) in Android Auto. Just drive along, push to issue command, and "Siri navigate me to in " and boom. This might have existed in luxury cars for years, but its coming down into the mainstream ~$30k cars recently and I'm loving it. I'm thankful for technologies like Siri in the context of dr…

Anecdotal counterpoint: Siri is horrible at recognizing my speech if it is anything that it doesn't expect. I can ask it to define a word all day long but I doubt it will get any better. It just keeps giving me the same (incorrect) response repeatedly. Google Now does a very good job at recognizing voice including words I may mispronounce when I say "define X" I can sort of imagine why. Google "knows" me better. What…

I speak a weird hybrid of four Norwegian accents, and Siri + iOS dictation is indispensable in both using my phone faster, and operating it when my hands are occupied with other things. So there's clearly a variety of experiences here.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by giarc »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #49
ommunist wrote: post #44

Heck, I just bought a course to study iOS9 development... Who can withstand such a pace?

If you're developing production apps you're likely supporting at least the last two versions of iOS. I'm a full-time iOS developer and don't remember half the new stuff in iOS 9 simply because I don't need it yet or it's iOS 9 only and I have to support iOS 7+. Also all of that knowledge transfers. iOS 10 will bring extra deeper stuff that you're not going to get anywhere near learning on an intro course.

3D Touch... you aren't adding it to every app now? ;)
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