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OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by mayoff »

kybernetyk wrote: post #157

I'm disappointed. After them announcing the subscription pricing changes, paid search results, etc. in a press conference because "we can't fit all into the keynote" I expected more. Instead we got 20 minutes of adults playing with emojis. Not what I would expect from a developer conference keynote. /edit: Thanks for the hint to watch the State of the Union video.

The stuff announced last week is mainly of interest to developers, not end users. Most of what was in the keynote was for end users.

That said, I'd be surprised if they couldn't fit last week's stuff into the Platforms State of the Union (later today), which is basically the developer-oriented keynote.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by DannyBee »

Sanddancer wrote: post #85
dleslie wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the GPLv3 prevents them from using GNU user space tools?

The GPLv3 has clauses in it that opens up a new load of legal questions for Apple that they'd rather avoid. I just wish that Apple would move to using less encumbered shell that is actively being developed, like pdksh or zsh.

"The GPLv3 has clauses in it that opens up a new load of legal questions for Apple that they'd rather avoid."

I'm curious why you think it opens up legal questions, etc. They've pretty definitively stated they just don't want to use it. There are no vague or mysterious questions they are waiting to get answers to or anything like that.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by sirn »

mozumder wrote: post #143
izacus wrote: post #97

Seriously, did Apple fire their OSX / macOS team? Pretty much all new features are spinoffs of their iOS infrastructure (Siri, handover, etc.) and the main OS development and innovation seems to have stalled. Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups! Is there anyone at Apple still working on innovating / improving OS X? Like people that tried to bring i…

> Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups! This is a keynote for the entire conference. They wouldn't mention something as trivial as this. Only major items get mentioned. The small features are mentioned throughout the week in the conference sessions.

Exactly. For developers, Platforms State of the Union is usually the one you want to watch. The WWDC Keynote is always more of a consumer facing side of things nowadays. Platforms State of the Union is always more of a low level behind-the-scene features.

Here's the WWDC 2015 video in case anyone is interested: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2015/102/

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by stephenr »

chetanahuja wrote: post #156
jasonshen wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As someone who does not use or want Apple's mobile devices My guess is that most of Mac users do want/use Apple mobile devices, and that in fact the majority of their computing time is now on those devices so it makes sense that the team would focus heavily on the interface and overlap between iOS / MacOS.

"My guess is that most of Mac users do want/use Apple mobile device" That's what it is... a guess. Unless you can produce some data to back it up. There's a huge community (especially outside of US) who use Macs for day-to-day work but use android mobile devices as that's the most sensible choice for a majority of the world.

> use android mobile devices as that's the most sensible choice

That is a highly subjective statement at best.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by reacharavindh »

bhauer wrote: post #119
reacharavindh wrote: post #12

Copy/paste across iPhone and Mac is very useful. All the other features are Meh. I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work. I can't be sure that all my questions to Siri are not awkward to speak out. Would have been great to have a textual interface though. You know that Keyboard thingy that is always with a Mac?!

> Copy/paste across iPhone and Mac is very useful. I don't use a Mac or an iPhone, but I applaud this sort of device harmony. That said, I am worried that it would unnecessarily leverage the cloud. My guess is that instead of the two devices directly communicating with one another—that is, instead of leveraging the fact that they are probably on the same local network and should just work in concert—the clipboard dat…

Yes, the Hand-off mechanism works without iCloud involvement or even using your active internet connection. I just tried by disabling Wifi on my Mac and opening up message to continue on a semi written message from my iPhone.

Now, there could always be a iCloud fallback that says if there is internet, just use it. Perks of using non-free software is that it will almost always non-verifiable.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by Ono-Sendai »

vardump wrote: post #62
sgnelson wrote: post #28

Will this make the OS suck less? Seriously, at least for my use case, and in my opinion, OS X has been on a downward trend for a while (since 10.6). They need to fix the bugs, and get back to a nice stable OS that "just works." That's all I'm interested in.

Apple really needs to improve OpenGL support at least. Bump version to 4.4. They should also fix any OpenGL bugs in a timely manner. Windows file sharing (at least with Windows 10 Pro) is pretty broken as well. Transferring multiple large files (especially 2 GB+) from OS X to a win10 file share seems to fail every time.

out of interest, what are the OpenGL bugs?

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by M4v3R »

kybernetyk wrote: post #157

I'm disappointed. After them announcing the subscription pricing changes, paid search results, etc. in a press conference because "we can't fit all into the keynote" I expected more. Instead we got 20 minutes of adults playing with emojis. Not what I would expect from a developer conference keynote. /edit: Thanks for the hint to watch the State of the Union video.

Wait for the Platforms State of the Union video, it will be probably available in few hours on Apple's developers website [1]. It's basically another keynote, but more developer oriented.

https://developer.apple.com/videos/

Edit: mayoff beat me to it :)

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by izacus »

mayoff wrote: post #175
izacus wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Metal is a proprietary 3D technology ported from iOS. Apple chose to do another closed tech instead of adopting Vulkan or fixing their slow OpenGL implementation. If you look at the numbers, you'll see that Metal is about 30% faster than OpenGL on OS X, which is interesting because OpenGL is about 30% slower on OS X than on Windows. Which means they're forcing developers to use their proprietary API to get comparable…

To be fair (regarding "closed tech"), Apple was hardly the only one to release a propriety Vulkan alternative (there's also Mantle and DX12) and Apple released Metal to developers almost two years before Vulkan 1.0 was released.

Hmm, what does "to be fair" mean in this context? That it's ok because other people did a shitty move as well?

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by crb »

izacus wrote: post #97

Seriously, did Apple fire their OSX / macOS team? Pretty much all new features are spinoffs of their iOS infrastructure (Siri, handover, etc.) and the main OS development and innovation seems to have stalled. Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups! Is there anyone at Apple still working on innovating / improving OS X? Like people that tried to bring i…

That class of announcements, if any, will be in the 'developer State of the Union' address this afternoon, not in the press event you just saw.

Re: OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock

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Post by elif »

mozumder wrote: post #143
izacus wrote: post #97

Seriously, did Apple fire their OSX / macOS team? Pretty much all new features are spinoffs of their iOS infrastructure (Siri, handover, etc.) and the main OS development and innovation seems to have stalled. Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups! Is there anyone at Apple still working on innovating / improving OS X? Like people that tried to bring i…

> Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups! This is a keynote for the entire conference. They wouldn't mention something as trivial as this. Only major items get mentioned. The small features are mentioned throughout the week in the conference sessions.

Yeah, nothing says major like 10 minutes on text effects and 5 minutes of an exec playing her ipod for a room of people.
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