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Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Somewhat misleading title, but a very interesting read nonetheless. "Welcome... To Neolithic Park!"

What's misleading about it? Did you read it as saying the flower bloomed naturally after thawing without human help?

It does address unsuccessful attempts at 'natural' resurrection.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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I guess it's all about freeze/thaw cycles, if the plant can handle one 6 month freeze, it can probably handle one 30,000 year freeze. The freezing is what causes damage, not the being-frozen. I guess.

Even though the seed is frozen, respiration still goes on -- albeit slowly -- and eventually the seed will run out of fuel and die.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Please tell me that virusses and bacteria can't be revived after 30k years in ice, or that our imune system is able to remember its defenses against virusses and bacteria it hasn't seen for 30k years.

Our immune system is pretty good at identifying all kinds of foreign proteins. Unless a virus or bacterium has specifically evolved to evade our immune system, its chances are pretty bad. I wouldn't be too worried.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As is true in many areas of organismal biology, botany is a field in decline. There are not a lot of jobs anymore, and in academia, not a lot of grant money. In spite of this, every year universities continue to pump out more and more graduates trained for careers that no longer exist. Some of the best botanists these days are citizen scientists who have day jobs at the Cheesecake Factory or driving limos in Las Vega…

I've recently read a (German-language) article, that botanical gardens in Germany are an endangered species. That's because they are expensive to maintain, professorships have been faded out and biology students and post-grads are usually not so much interested in real plants and systematics anymore, but more in genetics and laboratory work. The small state of Saarland doesn't have a single publically accessible bota…

The Saarland University has a (pretty small) botanical garden that is open to the public.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, I still don't understand the connection. Aliens buried the flowers under the tundra in the ice age? Why bring it up?

If the DNA in a seed is still in good enough shape to support blooming after being frozen 30,000 years, perhaps a seed frozen in a meteorite [1] could also survive long enough to be spread between solar systems. [1] maybe after glancing off a planet or created by the collision of two large objects

Could survive long enough to be toasted when the meteorite finally falls to the promised land planet, in form of fireball.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A seed is a living organism essentially in suspended animation. Cells in the embryo have intact plasma membranes, DNA repair mechanisms are present (although working very slowly), each cell is surrounded by a cell wall, and the entire seed has an outer protective seed coat. When people talk about DNA degrading, they are usually referring to DNA that is no longer inside living cells, and that doesn't have these multip…

Plant's also generally contain much more DNA than animals. (fun fact of the day)

Why is that?

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've recently read a (German-language) article, that botanical gardens in Germany are an endangered species. That's because they are expensive to maintain, professorships have been faded out and biology students and post-grads are usually not so much interested in real plants and systematics anymore, but more in genetics and laboratory work. The small state of Saarland doesn't have a single publically accessible bota…

The Saarland University has a (pretty small) botanical garden that is open to the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botanischer_Garten_der_Univers... says it closed April 1, 2016. More details (in German) at http://www.uni-saarland.de/nc/aktuelles/artikel/nr/14351.htm... .
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