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Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by forrestthewoods »

Fej wrote: post #101
tremon wrote: post #80

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That's because we don't know enough about the actual text to make a substantial argument. All we have are leaked drafts. And by the time the documents are finalized, it will be signed before the ink of the text is dry. Do you know how many consumer advocacy groups are included in the negotiation process for TPP? I gather it's zero. Given the process is specifically intended to keep out consumers, why should we believ…

In the US, the signature means little; it must be ratified after the fact by a 2/3 vote of the Senate to come into effect. So - we have a bit of time to influence our lawmakers. It must be a huge, SOPA-level effort, but it can be done. And it must be done.

Why must it be done? Tell me. So far not a single person in this thread has given a strong argument against the TPP. Not one.

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by yuhong »

nitrogen wrote: post #176
tzs wrote: post #158

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Or it could be an indication that Google is considering a bigger picture than the EFF is. TPP is a comprehensive agreement, covering a wide range of topics and activities. Here are the titles of the major components: Competition & Business Facilitation Competition Policy Cooperating & Capacity Building Cross Border Trade in Services Customs Administration & Trade Facilitation Development Dispute Settlement Electronic…

This is especially true when you consider that much of the EFF's criticism of the IP section is over provisions that are already in effect in the US... A core purpose of the EFF is to keep IP law from spinning out of control, and to roll back the places where it already has (which is pretty much everywhere). This would be more nearly impossible than it already is if the US laws calcify into treaty form, which is a ve…

I doubt it is even in Google's business interests to do this either.

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by fixermark »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #250
fixermark wrote: post #244

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So "Google works closely with Hillary" is sourced to Hillary in the past corresponding with a former employee of hers who is now heading a Google subsidiary? That's borderline tin-foil-hat levels of conspiracy theory. By that logic, Google "works closely" with Oracle via the connection to Eric Schmidt; that's just as believable if you ignore the messy lawsuits they're engaged in.

If you actually read the details, as I indicated one should, Hillary's email archive includes collaboration with Jared Cohen WHILE he works at Google, on foreign affairs related projects.

That's still extrapolating from "Hillary corresponds with a past staffer who now works for Google" to "Google works closely with Hillary." I feel like I'd need to be seeking out conspiracy to believe there's more to it than that.

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by specialist »

newman314 wrote: post #243
labster wrote: post #170

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She's so sane and down to earth that she'd rather be the most powerful Senator for 20 years than President for 4 years. You should be thanking her for playing the long game.

I'm over her when she decided to endorse Hillary thereby implicitly endorsing Hillary's Wall Street connections. So much for defending against big banks. :(

Human affairs are a marathon, not a sprint. Pace yourself.

Also, I've learned to embrace incrementalism and transactional politics (quid pro quo).

Lastly, if you bring the heat, the targeted policy maker(s) will see the light. The color of their logo won't be a factor. Sanders' campaign, and massive following, absolutely moved Clinton to the left.

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by newman314 »

specialist wrote: post #255
newman314 wrote: post #243

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I'm over her when she decided to endorse Hillary thereby implicitly endorsing Hillary's Wall Street connections. So much for defending against big banks. :(

Human affairs are a marathon, not a sprint. Pace yourself. Also, I've learned to embrace incrementalism and transactional politics (quid pro quo). Lastly, if you bring the heat, the targeted policy maker(s) will see the light. The color of their logo won't be a factor. Sanders' campaign, and massive following, absolutely moved Clinton to the left.

It moved her statements to the left (for now). I very much doubt that she's going to actually go through with things given her past history.

Examples: TPP, gay marriage etc. One could try arguing that she has evolved but MANY see her as just flip-flopping to what seems politically expedient at that time. Hence the tremendous amount of distrust.

Embrace incrementalism = let's make mediocre great again. Imagine that kind of mentality when it was announced that we were going to try to send someone to the Moon.

"Let's shoot for the moon!"

"Enh, let's just name an airport instead to build support"

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by specialist »

newman314 wrote: post #256
specialist wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human affairs are a marathon, not a sprint. Pace yourself. Also, I've learned to embrace incrementalism and transactional politics (quid pro quo). Lastly, if you bring the heat, the targeted policy maker(s) will see the light. The color of their logo won't be a factor. Sanders' campaign, and massive following, absolutely moved Clinton to the left.

It moved her statements to the left (for now). I very much doubt that she's going to actually go through with things given her past history. Examples: TPP, gay marriage etc. One could try arguing that she has evolved but MANY see her as just flip-flopping to what seems politically expedient at that time. Hence the tremendous amount of distrust. Embrace incrementalism = let's make mediocre great again. Imagine that ki…

How do you think gay marriage and marijuana were legalized (thus far)? Fits and starts. Fighting for every single inch. And then eventually victory. Think of any major, significant social progress. Emancipation, suffrage, welfare, worker safety, child labor, etc. etc. Each decades in the making.

I encourage you to read The Waxman Report by former US Sen Henry Waxman to get a sense of how much effort and time it takes to forge policy, move the needle.

Continue to disempower yourself thru cynicism, apathy, and inaction.

Or follow the examples of Sanders, Warren and 1000s of others and learn to convert your outrage into action.

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by superobserver »

fixermark wrote: post #254
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #250

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If you actually read the details, as I indicated one should, Hillary's email archive includes collaboration with Jared Cohen WHILE he works at Google, on foreign affairs related projects.

That's still extrapolating from "Hillary corresponds with a past staffer who now works for Google" to "Google works closely with Hillary." I feel like I'd need to be seeking out conspiracy to believe there's more to it than that.

Since you don't want to do the research, here's one reference: http://tinyurl.com/h8gms26

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by King-Aaron »

harry8 wrote: post #104
guelo wrote: post #89

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I could see Clinton doing that backflip but if it's Trump he seems to be genuinely anti-free trade.

trump isn't genuinely anything but pro-trump.

This, he's basically in the game of reactionary politics. Candidate A has X position, so he must take the Y position. Any 'policy' he has in the election process is nothing more than a popularity drive.

Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

fixermark wrote: post #254
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you actually read the details, as I indicated one should, Hillary's email archive includes collaboration with Jared Cohen WHILE he works at Google, on foreign affairs related projects.

That's still extrapolating from "Hillary corresponds with a past staffer who now works for Google" to "Google works closely with Hillary." I feel like I'd need to be seeking out conspiracy to believe there's more to it than that.

Some specific references regarding Jared Cohen and Hillary Clinton:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3503000/Hillary-Clin... http://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279...

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