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Snowden reveals GCHQ spy programme with link to Scottish police

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Re: Snowden reveals GCHQ spy programme with link to Scottish police

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Post by mwti »

Can’t we all just admit that Snowden is a limited hangout who’s sole purpose is to benefit the establishment and NSA?

The forms of spying he discusses are trivial at best (backdoors in COTS technologies) without peep said about real advances in espionage. I want to hear about how TEMPEST-based projects are so good they can passively grab memory (and encryption keys) from miles away over the air, if that machine uses DDR memory buses.

I don't care if the Scots are spying on me (after all I'm Scottish); I want to know who's spying on the spies in Scotland thereby allowing terrorists safe passage because they now the see holes in their security. Damn turtles.

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mwti wrote: post #2

Can’t we all just admit that Snowden is a limited hangout who’s sole purpose is to benefit the establishment and NSA? The forms of spying he discusses are trivial at best (backdoors in COTS technologies) without peep said about real advances in espionage. I want to hear about how TEMPEST-based projects are so good they can passively grab memory (and encryption keys) from miles away over the air, if that machine uses…

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Post by rl3 »

mwti wrote: post #2

Can’t we all just admit that Snowden is a limited hangout who’s sole purpose is to benefit the establishment and NSA? The forms of spying he discusses are trivial at best (backdoors in COTS technologies) without peep said about real advances in espionage. I want to hear about how TEMPEST-based projects are so good they can passively grab memory (and encryption keys) from miles away over the air, if that machine uses…

>Can’t we all just admit that Snowden is a limited hangout who’s sole purpose is to benefit the establishment and NSA?

No, because that's absurd.

A "limited hangout" is fundamentally a damage control measure. At the time Snowden went public, there wasn't any damage to control. Most of it had already been done many years prior with the 641A scandal.

If you want to suggest that Snowden was an overarching plan to somehow influence public perception in the NSA's favor, then perhaps /r/conspiracy would be more receptive.

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Post by eternalban »

mwti wrote: post #2

Can’t we all just admit that Snowden is a limited hangout who’s sole purpose is to benefit the establishment and NSA? The forms of spying he discusses are trivial at best (backdoors in COTS technologies) without peep said about real advances in espionage. I want to hear about how TEMPEST-based projects are so good they can passively grab memory (and encryption keys) from miles away over the air, if that machine uses…

But Washington Post says he is for real. So does the Guardian. And he is telling us which programs to use and which crypto is or isn't broken.

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Post by Brandanna »

eternalban wrote: post #6
mwti wrote: post #2

Can’t we all just admit that Snowden is a limited hangout who’s sole purpose is to benefit the establishment and NSA? The forms of spying he discusses are trivial at best (backdoors in COTS technologies) without peep said about real advances in espionage. I want to hear about how TEMPEST-based projects are so good they can passively grab memory (and encryption keys) from miles away over the air, if that machine uses…

But Washington Post says he is for real. So does the Guardian. And he is telling us which programs to use and which crypto is or isn't broken.

A CIA asset is telling us which programs to use an what crypto to trust. Is trusting a known spy the wisest decision?

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Post by liquidise » 

  Metadata includes who a surveillance target is calling,
  emailing, what websites they visit, and, when location
  data is available, a person’s movements.
That an impressive definition of "metadata". To the defenders of these efforts i continue to point to the common trend among these agencies: expansion. First the definition of terrorist expanded without merit. Then the application of spy tracking data expanded similarly. Now metadata, the comfy term these agencies have used to limit public outcry, is expanding as well.

This is a frustrating time we live in. Far too few are taking the necessary steps to prevent this serial erosion of, what just some years ago, was common privacies and judicial rights.

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Post by dasunbekannte »

liquidise wrote: post #8

Metadata includes who a surveillance target is calling, emailing, what websites they visit, and, when location data is available, a person’s movements. That an impressive definition of "metadata". To the defenders of these efforts i continue to point to the common trend among these agencies: expansion. First the definition of terrorist expanded without merit. Then the application of spy tracking data expanded similar…

Let's say you tear down the FVEY agencies. Enemy nations can then go rampant. If we collect, then it's obvious they must as well and they have less laws than we do limiting what we can do.

Having been on both sides, it is difficult to see the good they are doing, because they are shrouded in secrecy due to necessity.

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