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Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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There's only one solution to prevent this, if you're operating a server that might be of federal interest (which might even be running an open proxy or TOR relay): 1) Rent an entire rack with a 19" rackmount UPS, as well as locks connected to the server to signal if the rack has been opened, and motion sensors, as well as a compass 2) If either the power from outside goes down, or the lock/cage alarm triggers, or the…

Figure out which part of the rack points north, stick a really strong magnet there. Also, spoof the GPS signal to avoid your next attack, wrap you in a faraday cage and broadcast an identical set of WiFi/Cellular signals. My point isn't that any of this is more or less practical, simply that any protection you can dream up can be defeated if they know about it and are expecting it. Also, your password was 'lovesexsec…

> Also, your password was 'lovesexsecretgod' and you left SSH open :)

Is this sarcasm or did you actually get this from the above poster?

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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I heard that when power is interrupted ACPI still has time to inform the system, and not only that, the CPU will continue to execute many, many instructions before it's finally deprived of power. The computer seems to turn off instantly to us, but at the time scale the CPU operates at it's actually quite a while. I heard this was enough time for an operating system to detect power failure and zero out megabytes of me…

> zero out megabytes of memory Is there some reason that RAM has to be zeroed serially? It seems like nothing's theoretically stopping the entirety of a RAM memory module from being erased, in parallel, in a single memory write cycle. Would it be very much more costly to design a memory module with a signal line that, when high, would e.g. turn a write into a write on every memory cell on the module?

There is an easier way, ram needs to be refreshed. If you can ensure the refresh pin gets messed up then first, reads become destructive among other things.

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Figure out which part of the rack points north, stick a really strong magnet there. Also, spoof the GPS signal to avoid your next attack, wrap you in a faraday cage and broadcast an identical set of WiFi/Cellular signals. My point isn't that any of this is more or less practical, simply that any protection you can dream up can be defeated if they know about it and are expecting it. Also, your password was 'lovesexsec…

> Also, your password was 'lovesexsecretgod' and you left SSH open :) Is this sarcasm or did you actually get this from the above poster?

I think it's a reference to the movie Hackers.

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRESOR OS X has a setting called "destroy FileVault key on standby" in `pmset` which mitigates cold boot attacks. I kinda want the CPU/MMU to support loading encryption keys to transparently encrypt some or all of RAM (could also toss in error checking while we're at it). SGX has this in the trusted containers, but I think it makes sense for general use too.

And here is the command to activate FileVault key destruction on stand by: https://github.com/kdeldycke/dotfiles/commit/32a01c08e196f87...

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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There has been some more recent work on this lately: https://www.dfrws.org/2016eu/proceedings/DFRWS-EU-2016-7.pdf Essentially, with newer RAM (DDR3), the location things end up on the physical chip is scrambled to improve reliability: > Storage of bit streams which are strongly biased towards zero or one can lead to a multitude of practical problems: Modification of data within such a biased bit stream can lead to co…

I didn't know DDR3 RAM was scrambled. Thanks for the link & tip. Analog scramblers of the past were defeated in a number of simple and clever ways. Most security engineers stopped trusting scrambling as it almost always fails. A useful obfuscation at best on top of genuine encryption and authentication in RAM as in my other comment. No surprise we have another one on breakers' resumes in the RAM area. Note: Nice shor…

Thanks! I'll be writing follow-up posts on the technical details and evaluation of LAVA as well. It's a really cool problem and I do hope that it can actually make bug-finding software better.

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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That's nice first.... first time I saw it. Any evidence of it in the wild in the past 8 years, like, you know, actually used once?

Law enforcement uses this technique when necessary. They also have a device to help move a wall-plugged device without powering it off.

I have heard confirmation of this from friends arrested in the UK (by Scotland Yard) and in the USA (by the FBI). I don't believe they actually witnessed it being done,just that they had what was needed. Though my infosec instructor in university was in the RCMP (Canada) and mentioned hqving done it himself so I'm rather confident law enforcement globally has had this in their arsenal for awhile.

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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There's only one solution to prevent this, if you're operating a server that might be of federal interest (which might even be running an open proxy or TOR relay): 1) Rent an entire rack with a 19" rackmount UPS, as well as locks connected to the server to signal if the rack has been opened, and motion sensors, as well as a compass 2) If either the power from outside goes down, or the lock/cage alarm triggers, or the…

Figure out which part of the rack points north, stick a really strong magnet there. Also, spoof the GPS signal to avoid your next attack, wrap you in a faraday cage and broadcast an identical set of WiFi/Cellular signals. My point isn't that any of this is more or less practical, simply that any protection you can dream up can be defeated if they know about it and are expecting it. Also, your password was 'lovesexsec…

> Figure out which part of the rack points north, stick a really strong magnet there.

Such a strong magnet can be detected, too, e.g. with four 3-axis compasses.

> Also, spoof the GPS signal to avoid your next attack, wrap you in a faraday cage and broadcast an identical set of WiFi/Cellular signals.

Nice idea, but in case you're using a cellular uplink, as soon as the faraday cage is in place, your trigger fires. Also, spoofing GPS signals requires expensive equipment and IIRC also cooperation of the Feds.

> My point isn't that any of this is more or less practical, simply that any protection you can dream up can be defeated if they know about it and are expecting it.

Which is why you don't publish every detail of how your farm is protected ;)

Re: Cryogenically frozen RAM bypasses disk encryption methods (2008)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't know DDR3 RAM was scrambled. Thanks for the link & tip. Analog scramblers of the past were defeated in a number of simple and clever ways. Most security engineers stopped trusting scrambling as it almost always fails. A useful obfuscation at best on top of genuine encryption and authentication in RAM as in my other comment. No surprise we have another one on breakers' resumes in the RAM area. Note: Nice shor…

Thanks! I'll be writing follow-up posts on the technical details and evaluation of LAVA as well. It's a really cool problem and I do hope that it can actually make bug-finding software better.

So, without digging into paper, it basically is about creating many test-cases to assess strengths and weaknesses of static analysis tools that should theoretically have found those injected bugs? As in previous comment, that could be a whole field of research in itself if it's not already. I'm not just talking about common case of injecting to test static analysis. Here's a few that pop into my mind as I run through old Orange Book and EAL lifecycle:

1. Inject flaws into formal specification of problem. Knowledge-based methods might do that for modifications in domain representing slip-ups of experts. Semantic methods might modify specs directly to flip a logical property. Preferably one similar to it to increase odds that they overlook it.

2. Formal policy of safety or security. This is a policy, type system, info flow labels, access control matrix... any of that. The injections would deliberately weaken the policy. This would combine templates that ensure common flaws got represented plus truly random ones. Lean more toward templates here as opponents will want to create things that break policy in catastrophic ways. That likely, but not certainly, means they'll focus on specific areas of policy for mods.

3. Formal verification. Similar to above or code-level tests but for intermediate forms or verification conditions. Maybe for proof tactics too if someone is trying to design a prover that doesn't get lost for too long. I think a simple time-out with trace log would suffice for that, though.

4. Code is the next part. You people largely have it covered in isolation. However, it must map to specs or requirements in high-assurance products. So, the mappings could be screwed up where code is tweaked to mis-match the spec similar to how specs are tweaked above. Also, the Design-by-Contract or other invariants might be modified to mislead an evaluator like SPARK Examiner or Astree Analyzer. If it supports it, the compiler instructions or pragma's might be modified to make compiler inadvertently break the code.

5. Testing. There's already a lot of work on this one where compilers, analyzers, tests, and/or fuzzers are mixed. I'll leave them to it as only basics are really needed for high-assurance. Other benefits or methods are still debated.

6. Effects of optimizations on source to object translation. Starts with equivalence checking ability. From there, different optimizations are used to try to break safety/security/correctness properties of the code with tool attempting detection. Goal of injector is to prevent that. Eventually, a corpus would be generated here of software fragments, transformation, and result that could tell us more via machine learning techniques. That's true of above in general but SSA etc is low level & small.

7. Covert channel analysis. Step most "secure" software misses although mainstream rediscovering it slowly as "side channels." Mainly focus on storage, timing, and resource exhaustion channels. Create tools to find the connections automatically in software either statically or dynamically with a test suite in progress. Inject covert channels all over the place. See what it finds.

8. Type systems. They're usually eyeballed or analyzed with formal methods. Often abstractly. I'd like to see above code- and formal-level injection combined to produce and test possible failures of executable, formal spec of type system and/or implementations of it. I bet it would find something.

So, there's what's off top of my head as I apply my mental framework for high-assurance security onto the abstract of your LAVA tool. Much potential for research and results if this grows into its own field. All I ask if you or one of your PhD's turns this into real papers is credit for contributing the idea to do so. :)

Regardless, what do you think of these? Are other people doing them? Are they novel? Which you see most bang for buck? Far as I can tell & based on current market share, biggest impact in order are static analysis, compiler optimizations, type systems, covert channels to stop memory leaks, and improved formal policies to support type systems and design-by-contract. The rest possibly useful but less so.

Note: The short-cut link on your Twitter to your blog was hilariously named. If it was intentional.

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