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Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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Never used it, but it sure had its fans. Too bad that it lies beneath the left hand.

I doubt that handedness really matters for these kind of tasks, but of course everyone has their preferences.

Many games use WASD under the left hand for motion, but that's to leave the right hand free to use the mouse. I've never tried mousing and cursoring in an editor before. Hmm.

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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I doubt that handedness really matters for these kind of tasks, but of course everyone has their preferences.

Many games use WASD under the left hand for motion, but that's to leave the right hand free to use the mouse. I've never tried mousing and cursoring in an editor before. Hmm.

It certainly wasn't a factor when WordStar arrived, but otherwise combining mousing and keyboard commands is quite common (i.e. selecting text and then using the CUA cut/copy/paste commands).

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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Also note the White Keyboard Layout, which was released recently as a reaction to the Workman layout due to some concerns about the optimizaiton parameters. https://github.com/mw8/white_keyboard_layout He defined a somewhat different set of scoring, then ran a simulated annealing algorithm to find a layout that optimized that score, then did a few manual tweaks for consistency and learnability. The code for the optim…

Even if you're not interested in switching keyboard layout, the writeup alone is well worth a read. THanks.

Yeah, I just use plain old QWERTY, but I love reading these things to see how other people approach their own pain points.

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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I started using Workman several years ago. I started with a Truly Ergonomic and later moved to a Atreus because of issues with double/missed key presses. Both keyboards are vertically staggered, and I'm never going back. I typed QERTY using 4 fingers, and still do. I took the opportunity to learn to type blind while learning Workman. During the process I changed a few keys around to make typing Dutch more convenient…

What methodologies did you use to help yourself learn the new layout quicker?

Do you ever think you will reach your QWERTY speeds?

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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20 years ago or so, I ran an evolutionary algorithm that permuted keys in a layout, evaluated them against a corpus of English texts from Project Gutenberg and the Linux kernel sources, and a home-grown cost function that penalized finger motion and especially double-hits by the same finger. The best layouts all had the property that the vowels were on the home row under the left hand, and the common consonants were…

I'm on Dvorak currently, but on Vim, the keybindings make up for an awkward experience. How does one deal with that?

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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Obviously all that works fine for English, but is sub optimal for other languages. I wonder, since QWERTY is not going away, perhaps the future is custom key-binding as opposed to single, better layout such as Dvorak.

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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For me personally, the one change from the current "standard" layout that helps the most is remapping caps lock to control, so the control key is immediately to the left of 'A'. I'm a little surprised the designer of this layout didn't consider doing that. (It can be remapped in software on most systems, though the last time I checked Windows still made it unreasonably difficult.)

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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The benefits of switching from the painful Sholes (QWERTY) layout to anything designed for comfort are huge. The benefits of switching between comfortable layouts are less than the cost of entry, at least for me.

> The benefits of switching from the painful Sholes (QWERTY) layout to anything designed for comfort are huge. Are there really? I find relevant studies lacking, not to mention this: https://www.utdallas.edu/~liebowit/keys1.html Also the whole DVORAK vs QWERTY thing presupposes we are all 20th century secretaries or novel writers and english at that, when in reality, we as programmers: 1) Have different patterns than…

Quite. as far as programming (hell even just prose the way I do it) swapping the various sigils into the tyughvbn cluster would save me more contortions than any rearrangement of letters.

Re: Workman Keyboard layout

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Hey, I did something similar about 12 years ago! I'd tried the Dvorak keyboard layout and found that I liked the guiding design principles, but decided that the actual layout was a sub-optimal implementation of those design principles. So, I dumped several megs of personal email archives (with the headers & '>' removed) and several megs of C++/Python source code (including comments) through some little statistical nu…

FWIW, I alias 'a' in the shell so that it cd's into directories but fires up my editor on regular files. Coworker once said "dude, you only use one command".

Oh, that's an interesting idea!
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