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What If PTSD Is More Physical Than Psychological? Evidence from new study

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Re: What If PTSD Is More Physical Than Psychological? Evidence from new study

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What if not only PTSD but all psychological phenomena were, by their very nature, rooted in the physical chemistry of the brain? How bizarre would that be?

Sigh this topic always comes up. From a materialist perspective (which is the only perspective that makes sense in medical science), yes, any psychological phenomenon is ultimately a physical phenomenon.

But when people talk about the psychological/physiological dichotomy, they're talking about causes. A psychological cause for an ailment is one that is brought about by thinking — by the brain operating normally without any external interference. A physiological cause is one that requires an external agent, like concussive force applied to the brain, or asphyxiation.

Psychiatric illnesses are an interesting edge case because they usually deal with the balance of various chemicals in the brain that are supposed to be there. That balance can be influenced both by external factors (like taking a psychoactive drug, such as an antidepressant SSRI) and by just thinking. It's not as well understood how thinking influences brain chemistry, but meditation, for instance, certainly does.

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I have it. I'm pretty introspective, too. I'd say it's almost certainly physical in many if not most cases. I can actually feel that. The thoughts and mental energy normally ran smoothly through my mind. After injury to back & center, especially the stress of it, it's as if a shockwave went through my mind blowing fuses or something. That's best way I can describe feeling and effect. Certain paths and things just aren't there or light up when they shouldn't. The wiring from input(s) to outputs(s) is broken where it's no longer performing the function it should.

Far as stress aspect, it similarly ignites electrical and biochemical activity that flows through sensitive parts of the brain. We know those parts organize themselves expecting certain flows or weights. I'd default on position that they could be damaged by overflows slamming them. They'd get damage resulting in impaired function with rerouting of sorts attempted. The result would be replacing that function or maybe new + old happening side-by-side with old still broken. Would explain intermittent failures that seem to relapse to an imprint of whatever caused the stressor.

So, just a few thoughts combining what I learned studying those parts of the brain with my own experience of how a broken one works and doesn't.

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With a background in philosophy and neuroscience, I cringe at articles like this drawing a distinction psychological and physical. They are simply the same thing.

>They are simply the same thing.

Not really, not in any useful way. To draw an analogy to computers, a "lesioned" transistor can be expected to produce an entirely different class of bug than an incorrect line of code. While a missing semicolon is technically a case of misplaced electrons, it really wouldn't be helpful to think of it in the same way you would think of 50,000V of misplaced static charge.

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post #12

With a background in philosophy and neuroscience, I cringe at articles like this drawing a distinction psychological and physical. They are simply the same thing.

It's still a useful distinction. That's like saying all software is hardware because the bits and bytes are stored in magnetic moments on hard drives etc... Or that biology and chemistry are the same thing because all living things are made of chemicals. Sure, there's some overlap, but the fields are still very distinct.

Not to mention that the physiology of the mind isn't very well known. Physicalism of the mind isn't unanimously accepted in philosophy.

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With a background in philosophy and neuroscience, I cringe at articles like this drawing a distinction psychological and physical. They are simply the same thing.

Do you debug your code with a microscope and soldering iron?

Layers of abstraction are useful, especially when we don't fully understand how the hardware works.

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Shouldn't a distinction then be made between 'shell shock' and PTSD as experienced by people that haven't been in war zones? In other words what soldiers experience is not PTSD, it's a different physical ailment (probably in addition to PTSD actually).

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post #12

With a background in philosophy and neuroscience, I cringe at articles like this drawing a distinction psychological and physical. They are simply the same thing.

It's still a useful distinction. That's like saying all software is hardware because the bits and bytes are stored in magnetic moments on hard drives etc... Or that biology and chemistry are the same thing because all living things are made of chemicals. Sure, there's some overlap, but the fields are still very distinct. Not to mention that the physiology of the mind isn't very well known. Physicalism of the mind isn…

> Physicalism of the mind isn't unanimously accepted in philosophy.

Sure, and nonphysicalists believe in magic.

Re: What If PTSD Is More Physical Than Psychological? Evidence from new study

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post #12

With a background in philosophy and neuroscience, I cringe at articles like this drawing a distinction psychological and physical. They are simply the same thing.

>They are simply the same thing. Not really, not in any useful way. To draw an analogy to computers, a "lesioned" transistor can be expected to produce an entirely different class of bug than an incorrect line of code. While a missing semicolon is technically a case of misplaced electrons, it really wouldn't be helpful to think of it in the same way you would think of 50,000V of misplaced static charge.

It's a false analogy though. Brains don't run software the way computers run software. The brain's behaviour is emergent from its physical structure.
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