This endorsement surprises me just because the TPP is so blatantly anti-consumer, pro-corporation. I'm under no illusion that Google's anything other massive tech-savvy advertising company, but the self-serving corporate side of the company is usually hidden behind the pretty veneer of "tech for the people". Supporting a trade agreement like the TPP (especially given the lack of transparency in the process) lacks the…
Well, they removed "Don't be evil" as their motto, replaced it with "Do the right thing", which clearly means "make more moneys". They became yet another big corporation.
Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership
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Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it anti-consumer? Convince me. I'm open. But I also want you to include counter-arguments. I want to hear both sides to reach a conclusion. So far most anti-TPP arguments I've read are high on rhetoric and low on substance.
How about anti-national-sovereignty? The secret drafts and the extra-legal processes weaken national sovereignty. I think a strong nation is good for consumers, and a weak nation destroys the consumer base.
There's nothing anti-sovereignty. ISDS only allows foreign entities to sue for breach of a law voted on by our own Congress inasmuch as it effects them.
Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership
#83First they manipulated search suggestions in favor of Hillary and now this :(
[citation needed]
"The analysis found a very different result with Google’s top competitors, Bing and Yahoo.
When spotted the terms “Hillary Clinton cri” and “Hillary Clintion ind,” Bing and Yahoo brought up as their top choices “Hillary Clinton criminal charges” and “Hillary Clinton indictment” as part of their auto-complete functions using the same key letters, according to SourceFed.
While that could reflect legitimate differences in the engines’ algorithms, Mr. Lieberman said that a search of “Hillary Clinton crime reform” on Google trends showed that “there weren’t even enough searches of term to build a graph on the site.”"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/10/google-denie...
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#84What? So Google supports all the horrible IP provisions there?
TPP must be ditched because it's an abomination in the current form, and it's not fixable because of "fast track".
Google should officially change from "don't be evil" to "be evil" now.
Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership
#85This endorsement surprises me just because the TPP is so blatantly anti-consumer, pro-corporation. I'm under no illusion that Google's anything other massive tech-savvy advertising company, but the self-serving corporate side of the company is usually hidden behind the pretty veneer of "tech for the people". Supporting a trade agreement like the TPP (especially given the lack of transparency in the process) lacks the…
Also interesting: All current Presidential candidates have come out against the TPP. Presumably Obama is pressuring Google to help him push it through before he no longer has a say in the matter. If he can get it through, it's going to be very hard to repeal, but if he doesn't get it through, our next President, whoever that is, will do their best to block it.
Obama is really hoping the lame duck congress will push it through for him. He's counting on pro-business Republican senators since many Democrats are abandoning him on the issue.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you for clarifying. The argumentation still stands though.
Not really, there's a big difference between state enforced rules about where data can be and client requested rules.
Except that in a functioning democracy, state-enforced rules are client requests from an entire population.
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#87This comes across to me as nothing more than proof that Google is doubling down on HRC being elected now.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really know, but I'm guessing it's a comprehensive deal. With tons of players with their own goals. So there's probably plenty of stuff like "your eggs aren't round enough to be labelled like that, but we'll allow them if we can call our meat like this". And "we don't like your copyright law, but in exchange for ... we'll allow it". Layer on exceptions and whatever else and the page count goes up real quick.…
I would be okay with minutia or details like these, making it a highly complex trade agreement. What i can never swallow is the secrecy. If it really is a good trade deal, why not make it transparent? They should be publishing it online, searchable and indexable with consice summaries for every section. This deal will literally affect billions of people, the people have a right to know.
Here's a summary. https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/press-...
Here's the full text. https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/tran...
Google mentioned in their press release that they were not happy about the secrecy in the negotiations. The negotiations were secret for the same reason diplomatic cables are secret. These agreements would involve things like Japan agreeing to to stop subsidizing rice farmers as long as it can keep its high auto tariffs for a few decades. It's nasty stuff, embarrassing to watch the sausage get made. But maybe it was a bad idea to do it all in secrecy.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also interesting: All current Presidential candidates have come out against the TPP. Presumably Obama is pressuring Google to help him push it through before he no longer has a say in the matter. If he can get it through, it's going to be very hard to repeal, but if he doesn't get it through, our next President, whoever that is, will do their best to block it.
Why do you assume the next president won't do a backflip and support it once they're in? Politicians break promises, and break opinions a whole lot more.
I could see Clinton doing that backflip but if it's Trump he seems to be genuinely anti-free trade.
Re: Google endorses the Trans-Pacific Partnership
#90This comes across to me as nothing more than proof that Google is doubling down on HRC being elected now.
I'm sure they are, and Google's definitely worked closely with Hillary before. Though at last public claim, even Hillary said she was against the TPP.