12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup • Hacker News Board

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

#11

Post by fhood » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 2:52 PM UTC

Please take this with a grain of salt. The author has spent a good deal of her time lately denouncing Hillary and endorsing Trump, which may imply bias. I make no claims about the content though, as I did not finish reading it due to the authors incessant use of sarcasm and open ended questions. I am sorry but a non-biased analytical article does not end paragraphs with "The logic of an innocent person at work, no doubt."

I am a little disappointed. I generally hold the HN community in the high esteem, and don't expect to see content like this. I would love to read up on this topic in an article without an overt agenda though.

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

#12

Post by ap3 » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 3:22 PM UTC

OliverJones wrote: post #3

Interesting. Many of the points made by this author relate to rigid government procurement rules: three bids, lowest bidder, hard walls between buyer and seller. The violations for which Mr. Pagliano has received immunity seem to be those sorts of things. The overhead of government rules creates both high costs and long delays. These rules are intended to defend the treasury against terabuck and gigabuck scams. But t…

Why did she delete emails in violation of the FOIA?

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

#13

Post by extra88 » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 4:38 PM UTC

ap3 wrote: post #12

OliverJones wrote: post #3

Interesting. Many of the points made by this author relate to rigid government procurement rules: three bids, lowest bidder, hard walls between buyer and seller. The violations for which Mr. Pagliano has received immunity seem to be those sorts of things. The overhead of government rules creates both high costs and long delays. These rules are intended to defend the treasury against terabuck and gigabuck scams. But t…

Why did she delete emails in violation of the FOIA?

As a personal system, FOIA doesn't apply, that's the complaint about using a personal system at all, yes? She only deleted emails that were personal and not related to her work as Secretary, the problem is she decided what was personal or not as opposed to an impartial third party.

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

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Post by nkurz » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

fhood wrote: post #11

Please take this with a grain of salt. The author has spent a good deal of her time lately denouncing Hillary and endorsing Trump, which may imply bias. I make no claims about the content though, as I did not finish reading it due to the authors incessant use of sarcasm and open ended questions. I am sorry but a non-biased analytical article does not end paragraphs with "The logic of an innocent person at work, no do…

I would love to read up on this topic in an article without an overt agenda though.

I would highly suggest that you (and others) should read the Office of the Inspector General's recent report itself: https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf

Don't read just the out-of-context quotes that someone else has chosen --- read them in context so they can be discussed in context. Maybe a mod could even change the URL to this?

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

#15

Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 6:22 PM UTC

extra88 wrote: post #13

ap3 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did she delete emails in violation of the FOIA?

As a personal system, FOIA doesn't apply, that's the complaint about using a personal system at all, yes? She only deleted emails that were personal and not related to her work as Secretary, the problem is she decided what was personal or not as opposed to an impartial third party.

Officer give me that bag and turn your back, I'll throw away the drugs that aren't drugs.

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

#16

Post by extra88 » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 6:35 PM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #15

extra88 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a personal system, FOIA doesn't apply, that's the complaint about using a personal system at all, yes? She only deleted emails that were personal and not related to her work as Secretary, the problem is she decided what was personal or not as opposed to an impartial third party.

Officer give me that bag and turn your back, I'll throw away the drugs that aren't drugs.

Deleting email to hide something nefarious is plausible but so is legitimately protecting her privacy and that of those she communicated with. Politically, it was not smart to delete because it created an opportunity for her enemies to attack her integrity. Then again, her critics will never be satisfied so fuck 'em.

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

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Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 6:45 PM UTC

extra88 wrote: post #16

cmdrfred wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Officer give me that bag and turn your back, I'll throw away the drugs that aren't drugs.

Deleting email to hide something nefarious is plausible but so is legitimately protecting her privacy and that of those she communicated with. Politically, it was not smart to delete because it created an opportunity for her enemies to attack her integrity. Then again, her critics will never be satisfied so fuck 'em.

She wouldn't have to 'protect her privacy' if she followed procedure in the first place. The workplace communications of public officials are considered public records, she knew this, she was informed of this, if you wish to mingle personal communications with those do so at your own peril. She is 100% wrong on this.

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

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Post by extra88 » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 6:59 PM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #17

extra88 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deleting email to hide something nefarious is plausible but so is legitimately protecting her privacy and that of those she communicated with. Politically, it was not smart to delete because it created an opportunity for her enemies to attack her integrity. Then again, her critics will never be satisfied so fuck 'em.

She wouldn't have to 'protect her privacy' if she followed procedure in the first place. The workplace communications of public officials are considered public records, she knew this, she was informed of this, if you wish to mingle personal communications with those do so at your own peril. She is 100% wrong on this.

Yes, she was wrong to use a personal account even though some previous Secretaries of State did. I also lean towards it being wrong for her to be denied the same communication setup made for Obama, I don't know enough of the details to be sure.

She made some bad choices around this but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't that big a deal to me, certainly not to the point of disqualifying her to be President. I would be very skeptical of anyone claiming that they would have voted for her if not for this.

Re: 12 Red Flags in Clinton’s Email Setup

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Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Jun 10, 2016, 7:11 PM UTC

extra88 wrote: post #18

cmdrfred wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She wouldn't have to 'protect her privacy' if she followed procedure in the first place. The workplace communications of public officials are considered public records, she knew this, she was informed of this, if you wish to mingle personal communications with those do so at your own peril. She is 100% wrong on this.

Yes, she was wrong to use a personal account even though some previous Secretaries of State did. I also lean towards it being wrong for her to be denied the same communication setup made for Obama, I don't know enough of the details to be sure. She made some bad choices around this but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't that big a deal to me, certainly not to the point of disqualifying her to be President. I wou…

In other words:

> Yes, she was wrong to use a personal account even though some previous Secretaries of State did

"Officer, I've witnessed other people using drugs so it's ok for me as well"

> I also lean towards it being wrong for her to be denied the same communication setup made for Obama

"Officer, the CEO is allowed to use the private jet, so I'm allowed to steal it"

> She made some bad choices around this but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't that big a deal to me

"I want someone who makes poor decisions making decisions for me"