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Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Post by mmgutz »

Code bootcamps have become the modern ITT and Phoenix Universities. Seriously, you DO NOT need to go to a bootcamp. When I hire and someone tells me they're from some "prestigious" bootcamp, do they expect me to believe they've become awesome by going through one?

What did you do until bootcamp? Show me you had initiative on personal projects. Show me non-trivial projects on Github. Show me pull requests that you can read and understand other people's code. Show me submitted issues that you diagnosed a bug and gave enough information for another developer to reproduce it. Github tells me a lot more about you than graduating from a bootcamp.

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Post by lowglow »

xentronium wrote: post #38
lowglow wrote: post #35

I agree. I originally wrote this article "Are dev bootcamps a scam? A hacker's perspective."[0] which actually caused quite a bit of drama when I then had dev schools up in arms about opening up the books and proving their success/placement rates, etc. Then I decided there should be a better way to find reliable, quality bootcamps so I built a review site for Dev Bootcamps.[1] The response has been great and what was…

https://schools.techendo.com certificate is expired

Yep. In the middle of taking care of that now. Thank you for the heads up.

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

#43

Post by FLUX-YOU »

antiffan wrote: post #32

Love this. Some bootcamps are doing the world a great service, but there are also an increasing number of sharks in the water. I run a 4-week "pre-bootcamp" program to help advise students on making the right choice. I hold my classes in the evenings so students can try out coding before they make the HUGE commitment of quitting their jobs and shelling out 10-20k for a bootcamp. Sometimes, the right choice is to not…

If someone would have told me I would suck at coding two years ago, I'd be thanking them immensely.

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Post by antiffan »

FLUX-YOU wrote: post #43
antiffan wrote: post #32

Love this. Some bootcamps are doing the world a great service, but there are also an increasing number of sharks in the water. I run a 4-week "pre-bootcamp" program to help advise students on making the right choice. I hold my classes in the evenings so students can try out coding before they make the HUGE commitment of quitting their jobs and shelling out 10-20k for a bootcamp. Sometimes, the right choice is to not…

If someone would have told me I would suck at coding two years ago, I'd be thanking them immensely.

Interesting. Would you mind elaborating?

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

#45

Post by elliotec »

yaddayadda wrote: post #26
elliotec wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you could still get a junior dev job, if you just do a bunch of projects, even if trivial or done before, that demonstrates you know what you're doing. If you don't know what you're doing, the projects will help you learn. Win-win. If you don't mind me asking, what program did you go to?

Your main competitor that was just sold.

Your feedback is exactly the same that I get from others coming from that program. Thanks!

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Post by mathgeek »

cwp wrote: post #27

As someone trying to hire web developers, it looks to me like Bootcamps are more like finishing school than trade school. Candidates that come out of a bootcamp have learned how to signal membership in the Silicon Valley in-group. Their resumes have all the right keywords, and refer to "projects" they've worked on, built with all the frameworks and tools currently in fashion. They've practiced their interview techniq…

> Experience has taught me that interviewing them is usually a waste of time.

So we have a situation where hopeful individuals spend a ton of money on questionable bootcamps for the promise of a shot at a job... and the employers think interviewing said individuals is a waste of time. That's a lovely thought. :/

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Post by mathgeek »

daveguy wrote: post #30
Bahamut wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where's the link to the supposedly methodology? That's a pretty crappy press release...

They will teach you that methodology in their bootcamp. Sign up today!

The first step is free, just for signing up for the email list?

Re: Bootcamps should be more transparent

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Post by shawndrost »

Bahamut wrote: post #24
adrice727 wrote: post #12

Reactor Core, the parent company of Hack Reactor, recently proposed a standardized methodology for the industry. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/reactor-core-announc...

Where's the link to the supposedly methodology? That's a pretty crappy press release...

[I'm a founder.] It was on our site [1] until yesterday -- apparently it is now hidden behind an email collection mechanism. Here's the hotlink[2].

[1] http://reactorcore.com/student-outcomes [2] http://reactorcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/StandardSt...

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