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Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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Because he said the N-word? Come on. Words have power and these words are strong. And they should be, because the response is directed at complete ignorance. This kind of reaction feels quite closed-minded, working on racism-as-a-checklist.

A day without a needless racial slur is better than a day with. Maybe the comment was ignorant, but using a racial slur to try to undermine it is even more ignorant and needless. It is a misappropriation of power of the word, it wasn't necessary, and is an incredibly disproportionate response.

My initial reaction to your comment was along the lines of

> Do you consider how a black person might feel writing it? It seems somewhat necessary to bring up past persecutions.

I had likened this to swearing to highlight emotional intent. However I have no idea how that word affects some people. I'm just a white guy who is in no position to have an opinion on whether this is okay and was wrong to belittle it.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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post #106

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Yes: you are missing the history of the United States. This was most of the point of the article: Black people disproportionately live in poverty (not to mention the history of discrimination in this country), and the effects of living in poverty are extremely harmful. Your post seems to be missing the history of human slavery in the United States, the subsequent history of discrimination, and the conditions it creat…

> Your comment about "the black community needs to address" black culture, while perhaps well-intentioned, is the sort of argument historically commonly used by powerful whites to justify a "not my problem" philosophy toward black poverty and living conditions that create a negative culture. This is a terrible argument. Statements are not automatically false because awful people agree with them. If Hitler thinks 2+2=…

It was not an argument, just a comment. But to address your second comment, part of the point of my post is that people outside the black community can do many things to improve the conditions that lead to a negative culture (which is not necessarily about being black but more common to poverty broadly): provide better schools, better housing options, decrease discrimination of all forms, better/fairer policing, replace the war on drugs with a fight against addiction, ...

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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I find that Hindu bit fascinating because it is presumably what allows so many people to coexist on so little space. However, it is also a very convenient belief for the people who are better off. Kind of like the meritocracy on speed.

I don't see the difference to capatalism (disclaimer: hardly looked). The believe that anything can be achieved when doing well enough is rather fundamental, because it's tautological. The modesty to currently accept the situation as limited by factors out of control is just a factor that can be controled.

By meritocracy I meant the American beliefthat everybody is responsible for their own success - but in turn also for not being successful. That seems to lead to less charity (judging from outside of the US). So Meritocracy might make you believe that poor people deserve to be poor, just like Hinduism might make you believe that poor people deserve to be poor. (Just pondering, I don't have deep knowledge of either cultures).

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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I don't usually write responses and I don't have much time to write you a detailed explanation of history. But are you aware that there are living black people who still remember segregation and Jim Crow? It wasn't that long ago. The idea that just because recently you decided to treat niggers like human beings, they should instantly have the same level as people who were never treated as subhuman in this US of A, is…

When you attempt to incite with such inflammatory language, do you consider how a black person might feel reading it? It isn't necessary to make your point.

I know EXACTLY how a black person feels. I am not going to explain to you the nuance of using that word to remind parent of the ugly and oppressive history associated with it, because I'm pretty sure you are just being a concern troll.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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That infographic and the text that goes with it could be made much clearer but your interpretation is not how it should be read. (as far as I can tell) For one thing, as ASpring mentioned, the text about white kids were shortened, with the implication that the same sentence structure as for the black kids should be used. I'm assuming it was done to make the drawing easier to read (i.e. less text) but it certainly add…

His interpretation is how it should be read in English. It may be not how it should have been written . > 78% of black kids had parents who grew up in the top three levels and moved down at least one. Let B = all black kids; BT = black kids who had parents who grew up in the top three levels; BD = black kids who(se parents) moved down at least one level The only way that sentence can be interpreted in English is: |BT…

You're right. Somehow it made sense to me when reading the article, but reading your comment I see how it doesn't make sense as stated.

I probably implied the "who" since there was no way to have a group qualified by two conditions like these end up so high. (regardless of totals of the two percentages)

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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That does nothing at all to undermine the point. Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey and strict separation and major disadvantages that still last? Recently I watched a lecture exploring the long-term public health consequences of apartheid ion South Africa. The blacks had been deliberately - and I mean as conscious government policy laid down in papers - taught to live a de…

Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey The insinuation that a reason blacks don't do better because they are trained or bred to be obedient is pretty gross, and not that different from the racist "docile negro" rhetoric of a century ago. Why not start with expectations that anyone can better themselves, regardless of race? If you want someone to move up, do you think they have…

> is pretty gross

I'm sorry you think ignoring studies because you don't like the results is the way to go, you stupid moron.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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post #102

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That does nothing at all to undermine the point. Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey and strict separation and major disadvantages that still last? Recently I watched a lecture exploring the long-term public health consequences of apartheid ion South Africa. The blacks had been deliberately - and I mean as conscious government policy laid down in papers - taught to live a de…

You've made about ~8 points which would take longer to address than I currently have to spare. I suggest you read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' as well as Booker T. Washington and Thomas Sowell's work. Their scholarship is infinitely greater than any summary I could provide.

> You've made about ~8 points which would take longer to address than I currently have to spare

You DID have time to spare to say nothing, only that you could say something. Which of course shows that you piece of shit have nothing whatsoever.

Re: The effects of living in a poor neighborhood

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When you attempt to incite with such inflammatory language, do you consider how a black person might feel reading it? It isn't necessary to make your point.

I know EXACTLY how a black person feels. I am not going to explain to you the nuance of using that word to remind parent of the ugly and oppressive history associated with it, because I'm pretty sure you are just being a concern troll.

Nuance? You are flat accusing him of being racist in the laziest way. Let me explain the nuance of dropping a nuclear bomb on a jaywalker: there is no nuance.
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