Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by caf » Wed, Jun 08, 2016, 11:52 PM UTC

muddi900 wrote: post #307

optimiz3 wrote: post #174

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Seriously - what the fuck Google? It's only a matter of time until a patent troll writes a for loop on the store index to send out infringement suits DMCA-takedown style.

As the video mentions, people have been sued for App Store and Steam as well. Google, and Apple and Valve, can send their own lawyers to defend these clients, but since there are dozens of cases, it will be quite expensive. They can maybe sue these trolls for tortous interference, but that may not stick. So they can't do much.

If the same plaintiff is suing the a bunch of different developers over the same alleged infringement then I believe the defendants could request that the cases be combined?

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by goldenkey » Wed, Jun 08, 2016, 11:54 PM UTC

eric_the_read wrote: post #288

goldenkey wrote: post #279

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Boost has macro header libs that allow pretty much anything within the macros system limits to be computed. Lookup Boost preproccessor and youll be even more impressed.

My dad used to tell idiots that he was very impressed with their ideas; one day, he pointed out to me that the impression was not always a positive one. Edit: Not saying Boost is idiotic; just that you may not be positively impressed with their use of preprocessor magic.

Pretty funny. I have to use that "impressed" fib one day and silently chuckle. Ive actually used Boost preprocessor macros in C for huge benefits to compute variadic functions at compile time. You may not like boost templates or libs but the preproccessor stuff is merely just a turing complete arithmetic language that includes arrays, tuples, lists, and a whole slew of other great things. Its actually quite marvelous how its implemented all from standard macros. A treatise in limited functional programming. I would not want to produce those macros myself..they are insanely clever, just take a look at the source. They use something similar to Church encoding for representing numbers. You can use it without any of the other boost libs or headers. Repetitive code sucks and the BOOST_PP macros are godsend. Im pretty sure you are referring to other 'magic' most likely C++ template stuff. All boost PP does is give you data structures, loop, and arithmetic at compile time. [1]

[1] http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/libs/preprocessor/doc/i...

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by taf2 » Wed, Jun 08, 2016, 11:56 PM UTC

Steko wrote: post #272

tedmiston wrote: post #232

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To save someone 8 minutes: Tl;dr: He visits the listed offices of several dozen patent trolls in East Texas, including one directly across from the court house. Each one is empty with no sign of human activity. One has a secretary who claims the address is the accounting firm for those businesses. Then one person comes out to say that he is "a representative" of the businesses, and that those businesses "are based in…

How is this fundamentally different from our beloved SV startups organizing themselves as Delaware C-Corps?

For starters, most people incorporate in delware whether they are in SV or not. It's just a better place for taxes. This is available to anyone who wants to incorporate. Does not require you are in the know or have a relationship with a judge...

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by Cshelton » Wed, Jun 08, 2016, 11:56 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #292

piyush_soni wrote: post #234

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I would totally want this too, but legally, can Google do something here when they are not a party in this litigation?

Google could agree to indemnify app developers for legal fees. There are certain restrictions on other people paying for your legal defense but it's commonly done subject to those restrictions. They could also take the first app developer to get sued under the patent and pay for them to file a CBM review. Or file an IPR or PGR in their own right seeking to invalidate the patent.

If Google just paid for the defense of the developers, without patent reform, wouldn't that just encourage more patent trolls to arise, knowing there is a massive pot of gold?

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by caf » Wed, Jun 08, 2016, 11:59 PM UTC

Steko wrote: post #272

tedmiston wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To save someone 8 minutes: Tl;dr: He visits the listed offices of several dozen patent trolls in East Texas, including one directly across from the court house. Each one is empty with no sign of human activity. One has a secretary who claims the address is the accounting firm for those businesses. Then one person comes out to say that he is "a representative" of the businesses, and that those businesses "are based in…

How is this fundamentally different from our beloved SV startups organizing themselves as Delaware C-Corps?

It's really not. They're both forms of jurisdictional arbitrage.

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by tomlock » Wed, Jun 08, 2016, 11:59 PM UTC

muddi900 wrote: post #307

optimiz3 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously - what the fuck Google? It's only a matter of time until a patent troll writes a for loop on the store index to send out infringement suits DMCA-takedown style.

As the video mentions, people have been sued for App Store and Steam as well. Google, and Apple and Valve, can send their own lawyers to defend these clients, but since there are dozens of cases, it will be quite expensive. They can maybe sue these trolls for tortous interference, but that may not stick. So they can't do much.

Those three companies all have tonnes of cash on hand! Its the right thing for them to do, also!

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by dak1 » Thu, Jun 09, 2016, 12:01 AM UTC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric_Richardson

"Ric Richardson is an Australian inventor. He is the holder of multiple granted patents including the Uniloc patent US5490216 and the Logarex patent 6400293. Although he spent twelve years in California to promote and develop products produced by Uniloc, Richardson grew up in Sydney and currently resides just outside Byron Bay.

He is the founder of Uniloc, a company based on the technology he first patented in 1992."

Here's his picture from the Uniloc web site: http://uniloc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ricrichardson.p...

He's apparently insanely talented, having "invented" the panic button, the visual voice recorder, the 3G skype phone, the secure browser, the universal database, the carbon scrubber, the book dispensor, "media objects", the "Internet Computer", QR Codes, DRM, a password replacement system, TV muting, and several dozen other devices, just in the past 16 years alone.[1]

[1] https://sites.google.com/site/ricricho/ric-s-inventions

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by Sharma » Thu, Jun 09, 2016, 12:03 AM UTC

How about creating a petition here about this issue and we all sign it?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by Raticide » Thu, Jun 09, 2016, 12:14 AM UTC

dopamean wrote: post #270

Zikes wrote: post #267

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#define supposing if #define whereas else

I know nothing about C. You can alias keywords like that?

You can even do evil like

    #define true false

Re: Being sued, in East Texas, for using the Google Play Store [video]

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Post by thinkpad20 » Thu, Jun 09, 2016, 12:16 AM UTC

muddi900 wrote: post #307

optimiz3 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously - what the fuck Google? It's only a matter of time until a patent troll writes a for loop on the store index to send out infringement suits DMCA-takedown style.

As the video mentions, people have been sued for App Store and Steam as well. Google, and Apple and Valve, can send their own lawyers to defend these clients, but since there are dozens of cases, it will be quite expensive. They can maybe sue these trolls for tortous interference, but that may not stick. So they can't do much.

A couple million dollars would bankrupt the average freelance developer, some many times over. A couple million dollars to any of those companies is negligible. I'm not saying that money is no object, but on the other hand, that Google or apple or whomever allows patrons of their store to be bullied like this is, in my opinion, an embarrassment. It not only shows a lack of concern, but it also loses them money because the apps in question probably have to be pulled from the store. I might be off base but I absolutely think that any of those companies could sue these trolls for their behavior. Instead they seem to be showing that they only care about number one.