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Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by rando444 »

alistairSH wrote: post #26
rando444 wrote: post #8

You have to wonder how this works. Like how does the officer know how much you have and how much is 'appropriate' to confiscate? I wonder if it does a series of authorizations looking for some sort of upper limit to figure out how much money is in the account and then they determine what to take from that? Either way, this goes way beyond reason for what a trooper should be able to do on the side of a road during a t…

The officer doesn't have to know. Or care. He just takes every penny the system allows and lets you fight the DA over it at a later date. Even if the money is returned, it doesn't cost the cop anything to try. And if they keep the money, some moeny goes back to the police department.

Yes, but my statement was more of a technical one regarding how such a system might work.

I am speaking about the method used to determine how much is in an account and what can be withdrawn, because they can't check your balance without a pin number, and if their system is issuing multiple repeated authorizations, what protections banks have in place that might block these sorts of transactions to prevent theft.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by SixSigma »

Roboprog wrote: post #85
SixSigma wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess married mothers, non-sick people and secular bands would all be fair game. Shouldn't this just be "Citizens robbed by police". In India at least they have the decency to say "Do you have a gift for me?" so you know what's happening. My dad would pretend to be hard of hearing and deliberately misunderstand ad nauseum until waved on his way, this would happen about once a month while going about his lawful busi…

I'm pretty sure the speaker was trying to point out a few examples which he thought the audience would sympathize were unlikely to be threats or otherwise engaged in criminal activity. Of course all of these forfeitures stink of illegality, regardless of the victim. Forth Amendment? Never heard of it, apparently.

Yes, undoubtedly that was the idea. But "Vulnerable person exploited" is really less of a story than "police rob citizens". You could add "at gunpoint" to bait it.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by redditplebs »

DickingAround wrote: post #2

And the scanner maker gets a 7% cut. What could go wrong: "the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes"

Time to lookup ERAD Inc. online. Fun times ahead!

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by Mtinie »

DickingAround wrote: post #2

And the scanner maker gets a 7% cut. What could go wrong: "the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes"

Ugg...that's a super evil version of the classic "razor blade" business model.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by toomuchtodo »

redditplebs wrote: post #93
DickingAround wrote: post #2

And the scanner maker gets a 7% cut. What could go wrong: "the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes"

Time to lookup ERAD Inc. online. Fun times ahead!

I'm already spinning up a comprehensive FOIA request with MuckRock.com. Feel free to reply to my comment if anyone would like to collaborate.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by brbsix »

brador wrote: post #66
viggity wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The despicable logic they use is that they're not charging the person with a crime (because people have due process rights), they're charging an inanimate object, the money, the car, etc. Property doesn't have due process rights, apparently. Seriously. If you look at the court cases for asset forfeitures, it is titled "The State of Oklahoma vs $1,534.32 in cash" or "Iowa vs 2014 Mercedes".

How can an inanimate object be charged with a crime? It's inanimate, so by definition cannot make a decision... Also, if they're confiscating assets, why not confiscate the car? Why just the cash/cards? How do we get this absurd law overturned? What's the minimum required? Supreme court decision?

They've long confiscated cars and cash. They're just upping their game.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by retube »

It blows my mind this is even technically possible. Surely the target needs to enter a pin or something in order for the bank to authorise the transaction.

That said seizing cash whether physical notes or electronic must be subject to due process and a court order.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by gglitch »

FreedomToCreate wrote: post #12
PhrosTT wrote: post #9

What the fuck is happening to this country?

Just people trying to find new ways to make money.

Upvoting you and GP wasn't enough; I screen captured the exchange for my personal archives. If I ever write my great American novel, I'll try to give credit.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by nfriedly »

> News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state. It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc. [...] 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.

I think that might even be worse then the police being able to sieze all of you money.

Re: Police use new device to seize money in bank accounts or on prepaid cards

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Post by kirykl »

nxzero wrote: post #54
diyorgasms wrote: post #27

I've seen it said before and I'll say it again. Anyone who works for companies who make products like this in any capacity should be blacklisted in the industry. The missing scruples here could fill several large containers.

How would this solve anything?

it'd be like Pharma companies refusing to manufacture lethal injection
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